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Swimmer27
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Finally the overdue pardens
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1/19/2009 1:04:56 PM
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Bush commuted the sentences of the border agents today. It's about time.
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Jim Dandy
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Finally the overdue pardens
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1/19/2009 1:30:05 PM
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Now how about Scotter.
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AUCATZ
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Finally the overdue pardens
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1/19/2009 1:53:48 PM
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That is great! I was afraid it wouldn't happen.
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MartiniMan
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Scooter given clemency
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1/19/2009 4:47:19 PM
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Bush granted clemency to Scooter so he wouldn't serve prison time or be on probation. I had not heard he was going to pardon him but he should. I was very glad he pardoned those two agents and am disappointed that he waited this long to do it. Why he made them sit in prison for as long as he did is a mystery to me.
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Jim Dandy
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Scooter given clemency
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1/19/2009 4:52:03 PM
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Agree on both points.
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Talullahhound
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Scooter given clemency
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1/19/2009 5:19:37 PM
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I'm glad he pardoned the border patrol guys. I'm not sure why they were sentenced to start with.
I don't believe Scooter Libby should be pardoned. He knew what he was doing, and it was wrong. I'm not fans of Valerie Plame or Joe Wilson, but people should not be going around outing CIA operations officers regardless of who directed it or the purpose for doing so.
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MartiniMan
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You are ill informed
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1/19/2009 5:49:49 PM
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No one, not Scooter Libby nor Dick Cheney nor any of the people in the Bush administration outed any CIA agent!!! Do some simple research and you will learn that fact. Valerie Plame was outed by the CIA a decade before so the basic template of the entire business was intellectually bankrupt. So who told Robert Novak about Plame suggesting Wilson go to Nigeria? None other than Richard Armitage, the No. 2 at the state department. Libby's mistake was not remembering when he had a conversation with Novak, and all that is after Fitzgerald knew he was not the leaker.
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Talullahhound
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You are ill informed
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1/19/2009 6:42:52 PM
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Plame did not suggest that Wilson go to Nigeria. Wilson was an old Africa hand and was out for hire. It actually made a lot of sense for him to go.
So if Libby wasn't guilty of anything, why didn't Bush pardon him? It isn't who did it first, it is that he did it at all. Libby has been kicking around as a Cheney sidekick forever, and he should have known better. Is Rich Armitage outed Valerie Plame, then why didn't they go after him? There was no love lost between Armitage and the Bush Administration, after they marginalized Powell and the State Department.
I guess you don't think that Ollie North lied to Congress either, do you?
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au67
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You are ill informed
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1/19/2009 6:51:12 PM
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You are absolutely right. For anyone to continue to think Libby was convicted of outing Valerie Plame is not only ill informed but totally out of touch with the reality of this whole sordid episode.
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Talullahhound
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What Do you think Happened?
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1/19/2009 7:51:49 PM
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Since I am so ill informed and out of touch with reality, what is it you think happened? And how did Libby get indicted?
I think it is some of you that are out of touch with reality.
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GoneFishin
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Setting the record straight
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1/19/2009 8:19:53 PM
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Libby had his jail sentence commuted. However, he was fined $250,000 and must still serve 2 years probation. Libby was not pardoned.
The two agents had their sentence commuted. They were not pardoned.
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MartiniMan
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You are ill informed
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1/20/2009 10:39:48 AM
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Don't compound incorrect information with more silly speculation. Go to cbs news website and look for an interview with Richard Armitage and you will see that he admits he was the person who told Novak that Plame suggested Wilson for the trip. Cmon Hound, you should know better than that to question my facts without at least looking into it.
Libby was whacked for statements he made to Fitzgerald and that is why Bush didn't pardon him. Yes, he probably "misled" the investigators but it is arguable that he didn't recall the day and time of a conversation. In nay event, what I objected to was Fitzgerald continuing to chase after Libby about the release of Plame's name long after he knew it was Armitage and he told Armitage not to discuss it in public. He was after a conviction and did anything to get it. We will see if he shows the same zeal for Balgo and Emmanual or if he even survives the Obama administration. If Obama does can him I will await the howls of protest from the left the way they did with Bush.......
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MartiniMan
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Setting the record straight
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1/20/2009 10:46:29 AM
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GF is correct and if you read my original post you will see that this is exactly what I said. Hound is the one that threw out the word pardon along with a number of other glaring errors.
The whole template that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA agent has been so thoroughly debunked that it defies credibility that anyone is still carrying on with that line of thought. And it has been so thoroughly documented that Armitage gave Plame's name to Novak and all Libby ever did was respond to the statement by Novak that Plame suggested Wilson's name for the trip to Niger with, "Oh, you know that too?" and then they moved on.
She was NOT a covert CIA agent!
Libby did NOT out her to Robert Novak.
Rather than sending out angry responses to my facts Hound needs to do two minutes of research and she will learn something.
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au67
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What Do you think Happened?
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1/20/2009 2:37:19 PM
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See MartiniMan's post below...he states the case succinctly.
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au67
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What Do you think Happened?
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1/20/2009 2:38:43 PM
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I guess I should have said "above."
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Talullahhound
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What Do you think Happened?
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1/20/2009 5:49:47 PM
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Plame was a CIA operative. She was employed by the Operations Directorate of the CIA. She trained as an operative. I don't think she was undercover at the time that all this took place, but she was an operative. The point is this -- when you have been an operative, you have contacts that are in jeopardy from past associations. It's not just the operative that is at risk, but also their past contacts. And the fact that she had been undercover is still a classified piece of information.
What Libby did was a breech of security. Even if classified information appears in open sources, it is still classified and confirming it is not permitted. He was nothing more than Cheney's flunkie. Now Cheney's history and Libby gets to live with the consequences of being Cheney's flunkie.
But, you guys just continue on with your retoric and believing what you want. In your lifetime, the truth about all of this will come out. But for now, the point is moot. It is now Presdient Barrack Obama. YES WE CAN! And we will.
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AUCATZ
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What Do you think Happened?
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1/20/2009 6:05:51 PM
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All that has been proven so far is BO CAN get, and was, elected. Can he and his Hollywood and millionnaire buddies fix the economy? Remains to be seen. After all, these folks - like the rest of America - profited from the same economy until recently like pretty much everyone else. What sets them apart is they have loads of extra money to weather the tough times. BO has already moved toward the center on a lot of his views, and he will quickly learn that the US isn't going to allow some of his liberal agenda to go forward.
I truly hope he can improve things, but without promoting some of the liberal stuff. Moreso, I hope he has the good sense to recognize that the Bush policies kept America safe over the last7+ years, and I pray he continues to do so for us. To me, it is a good sign that he has backed off most of the left-wing stuff he got elected on and is now explaining that was 'campaign rhetoric'.
That's my $.02 for the day. God Bless Us All.
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au67
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What Do you think Happened?
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1/20/2009 6:38:08 PM
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Are you contending the truth has been suppressed in this matter? Surely the media would have not let that happen.
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Talullahhound
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What Do you think Happened?
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1/20/2009 8:40:03 PM
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The truth is that he was never the liberal that you all painted him. You never really listened to him. He's doing exactly what he said he would do. He's being open, he's trying to build non-partisan support.
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Talullahhound
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What Do you think Happened?
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1/20/2009 8:46:07 PM
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Did you read Valerie Plames book? Get her take on what she did and what happened? Ah, I thought not.
The problem here is that y'all have never worked in Washington, you don't have a clue how it works. You don't understand the relationships, you don't understand the interactions, you have never seen the insider politics. You only know what you read. And so many of you are joined at the hip with the conservative media, you never hear other than what you want to.
But, it's okay because under MM and others, we're going to abolish the government and take things into our own hands. Next week we'll raise our militia to defend the lake against the terrorists.
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AUCATZ
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What Do you think Happened?
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1/20/2009 9:21:27 PM
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I never painted him anything...he said what he stands for and it is not what I stand for. I don't believe in big government, I don't believe in a weak military, I don't believe in abortion, I don't believe in government handouts for people who are completely capable of working and earning a living,,the list goes forever. He campaigned on all those things and has only recently backed off and again I quote, said "oh, that was just campaign rhetoric". He is a Socialist in the true sense of the word. We will be fortunate if we survive the next 4 years without more tax and spend, tax and spend, and tax and spend than we have ever seen before. His own meteoric rise to this office is based solely on his oratory gifts and his ability to cozy up to the 'right' people. Whether his skills extend to actually getting anything done remains to be seen.
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au67
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What Do you think Happened?
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1/20/2009 9:50:09 PM
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I rest my case.
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MartiniMan
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Will the lies never end?
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1/21/2009 8:27:44 AM
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You need to stop lying in public about what I believe. I have told you over and over that what you are saying about me is false and stupid so please stop it because it only makes you look like a boob.
You believe what you believe because you are a liberal which is the definition of someone who believes so much that just isn't true. So I proved with facts that you were wrong about Libby outing a covert CIA agent so now you tell me about "relationships" and "I don't understand Washington"??? That is so pathetic to defend sending a man to prison because he responded to an off handed comment and didn't remember when he had the conversation. You must be so proud of yourself, but then again you must have defended Clinton's perjury to the hilt, after all it was only about him getting hummers in the Oval Orefice from some intern. You want Bush and Cheney in prison and terrorists in Guantanamo turned loose, you want to eliminate the death penalty but support the murder of babies through abortion and on and on.
You suffer from Bush Derangement Syndrome and you always will. Here's my prediction about Hound: for the next four years as Obama mucks things up left and right, "EVERYTHING" (and I mean everything!) will be Bush's fault. No more "the guy at the top gets the blame". No sir, we have the Messiah and he can do no wrong. Things were much worse than we thought, its all Bush's fault, he made me do it......aaaaiiieehhhh
If liberals couldn't vote they would be great comedy.
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lamont
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We just can't understand...
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1/21/2009 8:37:09 AM
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Cause we haven't worked in politics and DC. That's the most convaluted BS I have ever heard but, I gotta admit, Hound is on a roll. To bad it's all fueled by emotional BS and no facts. Typical.
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Talullahhound
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Will the lies never end?
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1/21/2009 10:43:10 AM
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I have never said that I don't support the death penalty. I believe in the death penalty.
Your problem is that you want to put anyone who doesn't agree with you in a box and label it "liberal" which for you is the same as "wrong". If that is how you make sense of you'll little world, then have at it.
You have not worked in Washington, you do not understand it. You do not have all the answers because you don't know all there is to know about every situtation. You haven't seen exactly what some people will do for 5 minutes of face time with the power or what they are willing to do to get close to power. And how blurry "right" and "wrong" can get there. And the power of group think. Or what happens when "the old man" says that he is sure that the information is out there and that he wants to see it. No, you don't understand it at all. and that is a "fact".
And yes, I don't support holding people in a detention camp for years on end without any kind of due process. And I don't believe in torture either, or in squinting real hard to read the law in such a way that allows it.
BDS? Maybe, but I don't think so. I believe history will bear me out. But then, you don't read anything that doesn't support your views, do you?
And I find your references to our new President of the United States as "messiah" to be offensive. The election is over. As the military says "suck it up".
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MartiniMan
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Will the lies never end?
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1/21/2009 12:23:59 PM
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Hound: I don't care to know or understand what happens in Washington and it is typical government drool to assume that Washington is the center of the universe. Guess what, only those that live and work for government in Washington and surrounding climes actually believe that, which is emblematic of all that is wrong with this country. The vast majority of the people in this country used to realize where the value and greatness resides and it is not in the halls of government! We survive and thrive despite government and not because of it. You can continue to spout your "I am a Washington insider and you rubes out in fly over country just don't understand how all this really works" crap all you want but it has no merit and no value to me.
Yes I label people but it is based on what they say and believe. If you believe what you write in your posts you are indeed a liberal and I simply don't understand your reluctance to admit it.
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Swimmer27
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I find Bush bashing offensive!
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1/21/2009 1:40:50 PM
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So when do you plan to stop doing it? That is what I thought, only liberals offense is of consequence. You are such a hypocrite. As for refering to B hussien O as the messiah, well lets just look at the record. I am linking just one article in which his kool aide drinkers, I mean supporters constantly refer to him as God like, its like hearing God speak to to you, gag, barf.
It was "Peggy" who fisrt told us how 'spritual' it was to see the ONE speak. That was right before she told the reporterette how O done promised, 'if I halp him, he gonna halp me' and she won't ever have to worry about paying her mortgage or filling up her car again.
I filled my car up yesterday. I waited till after the corranation but they still MADE ME PAY!! I guess it was just with all the innaugural crap they hadn't had time to get the pumps reprogrammed to bill the feds. I am sure it will be corrected by the time I need to fill up again.
And what about all the hype of a 'green'e innaugural? Have you seen the pics of what was left behind? Disgusting.
URL: Obama Is Like Biblical Joshua
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MartiniMan
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I find Bush bashing offensive!
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1/21/2009 2:14:09 PM
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It absolutely amazes me that two years ago we were told that disagreement and questioning the President was patriotic and today we are told that we just need to "suck it up" and go along with the Messiah's leftist agenda for destroying the rest of America the way they have already destroyed the lives of the poor and working lower classes with their government handouts, lousy government schools, etc. I don't want that for my children and plan to criticize his highness every time he makes a misstep.
Leave the kool-aid to the illiterate waiting for Washington to fill their gas tanks, take care of their children and provide them with health care.
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PikeSki
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Tallulahound
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1/21/2009 2:47:02 PM
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Can you please tell me exactly what you do to be a Washington Insider? I do have relatives that are Lifelong Washington insiders. Just curious as to your experiences in Washington?
Please let me know your experience there, I am very curious to know.
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Swimmer27
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Tallulahound
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1/21/2009 5:40:21 PM
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She worked at a mid-level job at the Dept of Defense, so therefore she knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING. Even evnets that happened at the the CIA and private conversations between everyone inside the beltway. She knows who scratches whose back and who sniffs whose butts. But I am sure you have discerned all this from her prolific posting.
She also LOVES to make posts bashing W and Cheney, but tells us to 'suck it up' and quit repeating statements made by the one's supporters that she finds offensive. Of course her offensive bashing of W and Cheney is immune from criticism becasue she worked inside the beltway and KNOWS ALL THE FACTS.
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Talullahhound
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Tallulahound
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1/22/2009 7:56:20 AM
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As I have told you before Swimmer, you don't know me. You and I have never met, we have never had a conversation outside some meaningless postings on this board. Other than what I post, you have no idea what I believe, what my experiences have been or who I am as a person. I don't need you to explain me.
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Talullahhound
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Tallulahound
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1/22/2009 8:05:54 AM
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I lived and worked in DC for over 20 years in a variety of jobs, many of which gave me access to and personal insight about a number of people at a very senior level, including a number of political appointees whom you have heard of.
You can decide for yourself whether I know what I'm talking about or not. It isn't very important to me, one way or another. I've observed that on this board people seem to follow the wisdom of a few like a group of lemmings, without thinking as to whether it really makes any sense to continue to spout rhetoric.
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MartiniMan
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Tallulahound
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1/22/2009 8:41:42 AM
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This answer to a very reasonable question is typical as it contains absolutely no useful information. We just have to trust Hound that she has some special insight into the world because of her alleged access to special people in government. I know, she is just trying to protect us because if she told us what she really did she would have to kill us. Its super top-secret government stuff and we are better off not knowing.
As for the comment about rhetoric. Here is the definition:
1: the art of speaking or writing effectively: as a: the study of principles and rules of composition formulated by critics of ancient times b: the study of writing or speaking as a means of communication or persuasion
2 a: skill in the effective use of speech b: a type or mode of language or speech ; also : insincere or grandiloquent language
I would assume she is referring to the "insincere or grandiloquent language" although in reading my posts I would suggest it is "the art of speaking or writing effectively" because I back up my statements with facts. My beliefs can be backed up by facts and not emotion or trust me, I'm a former high-level top secret former government agent with 20 years of experience in Washington, DC. C'mon Hound, give us more details, who did you really work for? What agencies and what was your position? Were you a secretary or did you hold some high level position? We need to know more details.
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Swimmer27
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Tallulahound
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1/22/2009 9:11:16 AM
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Don't make her tell us MM. I am to young to die!!!
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Swimmer27
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Tallulahound
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1/22/2009 9:20:32 AM
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And as I have told you before, I know more about you than you know and I have spent a decade sending your DH (dimwitted husband) on wild goose chases. Now answer the mans questions. I find it interesting that it isuch a state secret. I have an uncle that was Commander of a nuclear powered submarine before getting a job in the Pentagon. He worked on TRUELY classified projects his entire career. The difference is, he is very open about what he did, who he reported to, and who he knows. But YOUR experiences are apparently above top secret.
You are turning out to be as big a joke as your husband, more litterate, but still a joke.
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