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architect
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Who are these people?
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3/13/2009 12:22:51 AM
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I'm very much in favor of open debate and put much store in reason and logic. The problem is most of the "reason and logic" being expressed on this forum is in a one sided debate as to whether a right wing Republican or an extreme right wing Republican is better equipped to get us out of the mess that Republicans and Democrats has gotten us in to. Obama may not have all the answers, in fact he might be in over his head, but to blame him and his policies for all of our current problems which have been building for years and years is not logical or reasonable.
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lotowner
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3/13/2009 5:55:48 AM
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Based on this your logic, I could conclude that:
For all these years, Democrats have improperly blamed Herbert Hoover for the "Great Depression". While I was growing up, every member of my family (all Democrats), always associated everything with Hoover when the subject of hard times in the 30s was raised. I can remember the term "Hoover Days" even today.
Since newspapers and radio were the primary source for news in the 50s, they must have continuously expressed this opinion. Hymm! That's the way it is today. The difference is that we have Fox News, Rush, Sean, and a few others that give both sides of the equation.
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Talullahhound
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You Got it
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3/13/2009 7:23:20 AM
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Extactly. Welcome to the Alabama branch of the GOP headquarters.
Here, no Democrat has ever done anything right and no Republican has ever done anything wrong.
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MrHodja
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Problem Is This
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3/13/2009 8:27:07 AM
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To this point there has been little offered in the way of logic, reason, or historical fact (or claim) to support the left-wing claims that their approach to running a country will actually be good for us.
I admire Hound for staying in the debate, but even she has said she just wanted a change - and that (to roughly paraphrase some things she has said on this forum) she is not terribly happy with the way things are going.
I hope you are sitting down, for the next statement might floor you. I, as a conservative who usually votes Republican, am not happy with either the Republican Party or George Bush and their performance over the past dozen years. They had a chance to walk the walk vis-a-vis smaller Government and less spending, but became giddy with their new-found power and didn't. I would have seriously considered NOT voting for George Bush in 04, but the alternative that the Democrats presented was simply unacceptable.
Now to the current crisis. The aforementioned Republican "sins" indeed contributed - but any level-headed person would have to admit that the Democratic push to put people into houses they couldn't afford was a major factor in the burst housing bubble - which was also a major factor, if not the primary factor, in the current economic mess.
What has Obama and the Democratic Party done? Just thrown good money after bad. There is no strategy, just a willingness to write massive checks they can't cash, with no real stimulus involved. Come on, $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts? I am willing to listen to an explanation of how that is going to stimulate the economy in any kind of healthy manner, but suspect such an explanation will be obtuse at best. The rest of the "porkulus" bill is just about as bad.
In my opinion, the Democrats are following Rahm Emanuel's statement to "not waste a good crisis" as a means to endear themselves to their constituent base, not do what is right for the country. The Republicans may have used 9/11 and the terrorist threat to advance their agenda as well, but it was nothing like this insane spending spree that rewards failure and punishes success.
Gotta go to work. Someone has to.
Nasreddin Hodja
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alahusker
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Now quite
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3/13/2009 9:19:09 AM
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Guess you guys missed my post on H.R.1005, I wasn't flattering Senator Shelby (R.) The GOP squandered 8 years of opportunity and for 8 years I raised hell about it. Zero progress on the big stuff like fixing social security, immigration, reforming a totally screwed tax system and figuring how to pay for medicare. Now we have more entitlement programs, like free prescription drugs which neither I nor Bill Gates needs. I argued against GW's downpayment on the 'stimulus' package. He started the ball rolling and we now have mortgaged our grand kids for $2 trillion (double/triple that.) I vomit at the thought of a European style socialism, believe in captialism, and support most, not all, conservative values.. Wishy washy GOP politicians irritate more than Reid and Pelosi combined -- they are generally wrong, but steadfast to their convictions..
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3/13/2009 2:23:54 PM
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The current fininancial situations is not such a bad thing. It is providing a huge oppurtunity to make money in the stock market. Investing in today's market is a no-brainer. I normally do not invest in stocks because of my lack of knowledge of the market but the stocks are just too darn cheap. All this compaining is making me sick. It's time to get off our rears and do something about our financial situations. These politicians and poorly run businesses have created a huge oppurtunity. I am young enough that my other investments will bounce back but I'll be dam$ed if I am going to miss out on this oppurtunity in the stock market. With a very small investment you can make big gains in 5 to 10 years.
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architect
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3/13/2009 4:19:47 PM
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Lotowner says democrats continue to blame Hoover for the Great Depression. Well so do a lot of Republicans including the late Ronald Reagan. Hoover didn't cause the Great Depression, it was the result of the complete "shoot the works / everything goes" attitude in the top levels of the financial community during the 1920's. Hoover failed to halt the slide during the 4 years of his administration and was kicked out in 1932. The current situation has a similar cause and if Obama fails to turn it around in his 4 years he will be gone in 2012. Now, if Lotowner really thinks he is getting both sides from Rush and Sean I'd like to sniff the stuff he has in his pipe!
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Talullahhound
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3/13/2009 4:22:43 PM
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I agree. I'm outraged by the statement that "we can't waste a good crisis". It's irresponsible.
And I agree there needs to be a better plan for all the spending. We don't need more oversight committees and czars, but there needs to be a good plan in place. In fact, I'd feel a whole lot better if they just slowed down and took the time to really think and plan. They are scattered and trying to do too much too quickly.
And frankly, the cabinet appointments have become an embarassment. They need to get a team in place. I'm beginning to think that Emanuel was a really poor choice.
And I would like them to reach out more to the Republicans. I don't want one party to have their hands tied to the point that they can't do anything and I don't want the other to just run over them. There are smart people on both sides and it would be encouraging if they could stop the political gamesmanship and work together.
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I was really just being flippant. The majority of people that post on political issues are not rabid anything. We all have our leanings and particular issues, but for the most part, people are trying to make sense of what is happening from their perspective.
Yes, a few people do lean very strongly into the Christian Right Wing terrority but they aren't a majority. I suspect we all have more in common than we do strong differences.
I lean towards the left on social issues, but I lean towards the right on fiscal issues.
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lotowner
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3/13/2009 6:01:42 PM
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Greater than 20 million "pipe smokers" must appreciate comments from Rush, Sean, and others on the issues of our time. Talk radio from the "liberal" perspective (generally representing the viewpoints of the present leadership of the Democratic Party) has been a complete flop during the past years. I wondere why.
The "hatchet" job by Dan Rather and CBS would have been a success if not for bloggers on the internet, Rush, Sean, and others. I do not recall many members from the "liberal" community rushing to make sure that the truth about George Bush was corrected.
My family always voted the Democratic ticket until the era of Jimmy Carter. From that point on, it was the "person" rather than the party.
I still generally follow that route and have never voted a straight ticket. Viewpoints are important to me. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed definitely do not refect my principles.
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alahusker
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3/13/2009 6:19:29 PM
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Hound,
Your last post made so much I think you might be a closet conservative.. hang in her girl, I enjoy and respect your perspective and agree with some of it..
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MartiniMan
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Misreading our posts
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3/13/2009 9:50:37 PM
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I think you have been misreading our posts. No one is blaming Obama per se for the current economic woes except to the extent he particpated in votes that supported the actions of CRA/Fannie/Freddie/ACORN. And lets face it, other than his days as a community agitator/ACORN trainer and the few months he was actually in the U.S Senate before he abandoned that job to run for President, he has so little experience doing anything of consequence that we could hardly hold him accountable for our current woes.
Where Obama has seen scorn heaped in his direction from all quarters (right, middle and left) is his actions and those of his administration. Between the gloom and doom in order to garner support for his socialist big government programs to his total inability to assemble a cabinet of any credibility or real expertise given the issues of importance to the country. He has surrounded himself with partisans more interested in taking advantage of a good crisis to fulfill their liberal, socialist wish list (some call a stimulus plan).
Two points. First, many of us recognized early on he was out of his element and with an ill-conceived ideology to boot. Second, even if he remotely had his act together would he be strong enough to reign in Pelosi/Reid, et al? Few of us thought so based on his scanty record and we have so far been proven right. Left leaning posters like Hound have been honest enough to admit areas where he has gone astray. Many of the rest of us can't find one thing he has done right.
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