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Swimmer27
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Are you feeling stimulated yet
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4/9/2009 11:19:05 AM
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In Honor of the 44th President of the United States, Baskin-Robbins Ice Cream has issued a new flavor, "Barocky Road." Barocky Road is a blend of half Vanilla, half chocolate, and surrounded by Nuts and Flakes. The Vanilla portion of the mix is not openly advertised and usually denied as an ingredient. The Nuts and Flakes are all very bitter and hard to swallow. The Cost is $100 per scoop. When purchased, it will be presented to you in a large beautiful cone, but then the Ice Cream is taken away and given to the person in line behind you. Thus you are left with an empty wallet, no change, holding an empty cone, with no hope of getting any Ice Cream. Are you feeling stimulated yet?
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Summer Lover
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Are you feeling stimulated yet
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4/9/2009 11:50:25 AM
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Nope, feels more like the person behind me is stimulated...
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water_watcher
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Are you feeling stimulated yet
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4/9/2009 1:09:47 PM
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Not at all since the majority of that wasteful $800 billion is for social programs. We are seeing recovery in the market, but it is from what we know works ... the fed lowers interest rates.
We would be much better off with tax cuts rather than more government jobs that we will pay for year after year. Did you know that it takes over 6 equivalent "real" jobs to pay for one new government job. So for the 600,000 new government jobs BO is creating, there needs to be at least 3.6 million new private sector jobs at the same wage level just to break even from a spending standpoint.
Now we are visiting a dictator of an Island who is asking how he can help the US. I guess tiny Cuba is the model of socialism, didn't micheal moore do one of his "movies" to prove that.
But here is what we should be telling Cuba ... your socialism is a failure, you abuse your people ... treat them right and give them more freedom so they do not have to risk their lives in little boats and rafts to escape Cuba and come to the US.
After all, we are such a horrible country that our "president" has to go around the world apologizing for us.
Obama is such a joke and is dangerous to our country.
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Dick Cheney's love child?
The truth is that our policies toward Cuba hurt the Cuban people far more than they hurt Fidel Castro or his brother. It's time to end that nonsense. I, for one, would prefer that the Cuban people stay happily in Cuba instead of taking over another city like they've taken over Miami. The Socialism in Cuba will be gone as soon as Fidel and his brother pass on.
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MartiniMan
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4/9/2009 4:43:43 PM
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Hound, this business about our embargo only hurting the Cuban people and not Fidel is a common canard but is a total misconception. Every other country in the world has normal trade relations with Cuba, including Canada and Mexico, and yet the people still live in squalor, poverty and oppression. The fact is if you visit any of the Caribbean islands, all of which except Cuba have open trade with the U.S., they are all rife with poverty, crime, drugs, etc.
My point is that the economic conditions in Cuba have absolutely zero to do with the relationship with the U.S. If some tiny island can't make a go of it trading with the entire world (billions of them), except the U.S., then it is because of their own corruption and incompetence. And if you normalize relations with the U.S. it will still be the same petty dictatorship run by a pair of failed Marxists. You are probably right that things will change there for the better when Fidel and Raul are worm food but the problem is of their own making and not caused by our lack of desire to trade with them.
Besides, Cuban cigars are way over rated and what else would we want from that hellhole anyway? I prefer Honduran or Nicaraguan any day.
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well said.
One other point is he is a dictator. Since when do we try to make nice with dictators?
Hound ... read about how he came to power and how he torture and killed people that resisted or openly spoke out and did not approve. Is that someone we want our country associated with as an ally?
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I know about all that... but seriously, what has our refusing to deal with Cuba all these years done to change anything? It's just pointless. I mean, we deal with China for crying out loud and they are COMMUNISTS that have flooded our markets with cheap goods. So what's the big deal about an aging Marxist and his brother.
Do you have any idea how much $$$ leaves the US every year with Cuban-Americans sending money and food and supplies to their families in Cuba? Maybe Miami will empty out and they'll all go home.
Besides we could take cheap vacations in Cuba... LOL
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Mack
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Anybody Remember Vietnam??
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4/9/2009 8:28:56 PM
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First, if the Cuban-Americans in this country suddenly left for home with their money in their pockets, Florida would be in line for some of O's bailout money. And, your cheap vacation to Cuba would become much more expensive, if you could get a room at all.
But, Vietnam is different. We lose 45,000 American Soldiers there, leave, and then normalize trade and travel several years later?? No problem.
What is the difference?
The difference is Politics, a stubborn anti-Castro element in South Florida who will not forget, and Political parties who will not ignore the votes available in South Florida and elsewhere.
U.S. policy toward Cuba has been a joke since the 1980's.
I just wish that it had been somebody else's Whitehouse who tries to correct it.
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lotowner
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4/9/2009 8:45:13 PM
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Have you ever talked with anyone who fled Cuba during the 60s? I have and the atrocities committed by Castro against his people were unreal - Firing squads: political prisoners; families split; Gestapo tactics against the population; and on and on. All this just 90 miles from Florida. I agree with another forum writer that Communism failed in Cuba because of forces other that the USA. Why reward this murdere?
Cuba traded Baptista for a monster and he still lives.
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GoneFishin
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4/9/2009 9:19:12 PM
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We buy CITGO gas which is exported by Chavez in Vebnezula. Up until a few years ago CITGO sponsored a Winston Cup car and was the sponsor of the CITGO Bass fishing circuit. Funny how sports that appeal to those of us in the South was willing to sell out for the greenbacks. I guess the atrocities commited by the dictators in China is acceptable since most of your wardrobe, computers, and appliances are Made in China. I would not normalize relations with Castro but I do think we can begin a dialogue to prepare for when, as MM so eloquently said, 'when they are worm food' ".
We trade with Vietnam as previously mentioned and I would be willing to bet if Iran and N. Korea stopped with the nukes we would be willing to normalize relations with them.
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water_watcher
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4/10/2009 6:41:00 AM
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i do not buy citgo gas, specifically for the reason mentioned. i will pay more before i will put that in my car.
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MartiniMan
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If you know it why say it?
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4/10/2009 8:50:48 AM
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If you know something you are going to post is wrong then why post it? I just don't get the logic of that. As for Cuba, I frankly could care less if we have normal relations with them. What do we get from that anyway? There is no doubt Fidel and Raul will get an awful lot out of our reaching out to them but for what purpose? Look at all the press they get when useful idiots like Lee and other Marxists in the CBC violate U.S. law and visit with that vile pair.
They will never change from being petty, two-bit dictators that live the high life while their people are in abject misery. Screw them. I say we drop leaflets in Cuba and tell them once they put Fidel and his brother on a boat to Venezuela to commune with Chavez we will open up discussions.
We have absolutely nothing to gain from discussions with Cuba until those two are gone. As for Citgo, I never buy gas from them because I have no desire to financially support Hugo. And I try as best I can to avoid Chinese made products but it is nearly impossible.
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MartiniMan
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Looking for consistency
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4/10/2009 10:38:56 AM
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Hound and GF: Just curious if you supported or opposed the sanctions against South Africa when they practiced apartheid. I suspect you supported them even if you won't admit it today because it would undermine your argument. And if you truly opposed sanctions against South Africa according to the conventional wisdom of that day you were both racists. You see, you can't have it both ways.
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GoneFishin
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If you know it why say it?
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4/10/2009 12:43:32 PM
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I supported the sanctions against South Africa when they practiced apartheid.
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MartiniMan
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And yet
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4/10/2009 12:47:05 PM
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you want to end sanctions against a brutal Marxist dictatorship. Why is that?
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lotowner
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4/10/2009 12:57:48 PM
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The CBC, Hollywood, and many others were adamant in their boycott of South Africa. Today, these same groups (the CBC), and individuals (Sean Penn, etc.) dearly love Castro and Chavez. Is this not strange. People are and were being opressed but the difference is that SA was declared to be a race issue by this country but Cuba is not. Strange!
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GoneFishin
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Not so MM
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4/10/2009 2:09:25 PM
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I said the following "I would not normalize relations with Castro but I do think we can begin a dialogue to prepare for when, as MM so eloquently said, 'when they are worm food' ". I was not implying that we remove sanctions now.
Nixon held talks with China and Bush invited the leader of Vietnam to the White House in 2007. Did you agree with those actions by a Republican administration?
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Talullahhound
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Looking for consistency
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4/10/2009 3:16:11 PM
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Obviously, I did not support Apartheid. But, I didn't really support sanctions either.
I have a good friend who lived in South Africa most of her life, and about 10 years ago moved to the US. I know she is not a racist, yet she said to me that outsiders should not judge the situation, and I think she was right.
I'm not sure I think sanctions do much good, other than making a diplomatic statement. After sanctions were lifted, I participated in the first visit of the South African Defense Minister and his delegation. (We later hosted his common-law wife who is an Army General for discussion about democracy training for the military).
They had no understanding of America. And by sanctioning them and having no official relationship with them, we cut them off from any chance of understanding democracy and how we live. They had been mostly trained by the Soviets and both of them were basically bush fighters who had somehow been appointed.
So, I'm not in favor of sanctions. In fact, I'm leery about meddling in other countries human rights, unless we are sure there is genocide.
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roswellric
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Are you feeling stimulated yet
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4/11/2009 7:53:06 AM
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You in Atlanta?
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Summer Lover
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Are you feeling stimulated yet
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4/11/2009 9:02:51 AM
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Wondered if that was you. :-) Nope, was able to make it to the lake yesterday afternoon. Quite a different day today than it was yesterday.
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MartiniMan
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Sends the same message
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4/13/2009 11:57:53 AM
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I think regardless of what you call it, it sends the same message and gives prestige to two people that do not deserve it. That is the mistake. As for the discussions with China, no I was not happy with that and I think my concerns are borne out. We are essentially paying for Chinese military ambitions through trade, we have opened ourselves up to tremendous military and industrial espionage and have exposed our country to grave economic harm with their surplus of dollars. Having said all that, there is at least an argument at the time that discussions with China were in the best interests of the U.S. Vietnam is a different story given our presence there and the time that has elapsed although I have never seen the point in it.
We have nothing to gain from discussions with Fidel and Raul Castro and they have everything to gain, including the prestige of having the President of the U.S. reach out to them. It diminishes us and solidifies their control at exactly the wrong time.
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