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MartiniMan
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BO does something right
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4/13/2009 10:59:12 AM
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I know this is a shock to GF, Hound and Architect but in the interest of fair play I will take this opportunity to send kudos to BO for the rescue of the captain and the whacking of the pirates. Exactly the right response to protect U.S. interests. No payment of ransoms and sudden death from acute lead poisoning if you make the mistake of trying to take one of our ships. Maybe next time when the pirate leadership sends his guys out to attack a U.S. vessel from the safety of their ratholes they will be told to stuff it.
Now I await the far left's cries of barbarism and cruelty, not to mention imperialism and war mongering......oh, I forgot, it was a Democrat President rightly ordering the extermination of Muslims and not W so all these usual complaints will be muted.
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GoneFishin
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BO does something right
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4/13/2009 11:57:16 AM
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It was a rather easy decision for BO and I can't imagine very many Americans, Left or Right, having a problem with the means to the end. Now, are you prepared for land action???
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MrHodja
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BO does something right
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4/13/2009 12:44:48 PM
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I realize that the most effective way to reduce the threat is to do so at its source, but these guys have had essentially free access - with impunity - to anything going through those shipping channels. I believe it is time for the international community to make those waters less safe for the pirates. Nations should place a few well-armed self defense forces on each of the vessels and their navies should be more active with patrols that are willing to shoot and thus make the waters less safe for the pirates. It is time to play hard ball and reduce the threat - by force, which is the only thing they understand.
Don't agree with land intervention. It is hard enough telling pirates from hapless fishermen - could you imagine that same scenario on land? Even in Iraq we had a little idea of who the enemy was - but Somalia would be more like Viet Nam.
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MartiniMan
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BO does something right
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4/13/2009 12:53:48 PM
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That would surprise me. I seriously doubt he has the stomach for the casualties and I am certain military leaders are telling him what a snakes nest Somalia is given its total anarchy. Unlike Iraq, he will have no cover.
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Talullahhound
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BO does something right
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4/13/2009 1:14:47 PM
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While BO deserves some credit, the real credit belongs to the Navy Seals and that ship's captain.
The Commander of the Maritime Institute said last night that there needs to be global action taken to protect ships at sea. I'm not sure why merchant ships do not carry weapons, given the frequency of these pirate attacks. I know nothing about Maritime Law. I worked with a woman who attended the Maritime Institute and wanted to become a Merchant Marine -- she didn't make it through and eventually went to Columbia. From all accounts, Merchant Marines are pretty tough individuals.
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MartiniMan
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BO does something right
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4/13/2009 1:46:15 PM
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I do agree about where the credit lies but again, at the end of the day BO made the decision and deserves his share of the credit.
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CAT BOAT
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I wonder...
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4/13/2009 2:17:16 PM
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Yall know I normally DON"T get involved in politics unless it involves the Presidents boat. (I wonder if he prefers Cat or V-hulls) However, I have to wonder if these same forceful tactics would be effective for border patrol?
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Talullahhound
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I wonder...
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4/13/2009 2:20:06 PM
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Didn't they convict and send 2 border patrol agents to jail for doing the same kind of thing?
I think if we used those kind of tactics on our borders, we'd have a lot less problems with illegals. My sister lives in Sierra Vista, AZ and the stories she tells about illegals coming across the border are enough to make you want to sign up for the malitia.
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water_watcher
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BO does something right
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4/13/2009 3:15:07 PM
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I am glad BO made the decision and did not think he could "negotiate" his release and try to understand why they do this so it does not happen again.
But you are 100% right that the Navy Seals executed it perfectly. Makes me proud to be an american and why our military is the best in the world and never deserves to have their funding cut.
Hats off to obama for making the decision ... he definitely improved in the respect category.
I am suprised that so many of the liberals (not you Hound since you have made your position more clear than others) agree with the show of strength in dealing with this situation. So many of us "conservatives" have stated that we accomplish more in dealing from a position of strength. Yes maybe that is irrogance and what Obama was going around appologizing for, but we should be irrogant, as long as that power is done for good and protecting our freedom and that of others.
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GoneFishin
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Armed Guards
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4/13/2009 4:25:39 PM
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There is a real fear that ship owners have with carrying armed guards. Especially, if the ship is transporting oil where a spark could ignite the cargo. I would think military nfrom various countries could accompany ships twice a week like during the World War2. You gather in a staging area and then follow the leader.
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CAT BOAT
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Armed Guards
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4/13/2009 4:42:41 PM
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Yep, and shoot the chit out of them if they get within a mile.
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Puntune
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Armed Guards
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4/13/2009 6:56:45 PM
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What about putting decoys out there, waiting for the pirates to attack. After taking out 3 or 4 loads of pirates with immediate consequences, the idea of attacking ships may not look so profitable. I think a death sentence would be a big deterant.
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Swimmer27
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Armed Guards
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4/13/2009 7:18:11 PM
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The laws against weapons on merchant shipping are to protect captians from mutinous crews. I say give all American registered vessells Amrican millitary escorts. If any little boats come within a mile, kill them all and let Allah sort them out.
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JustAGuy
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BO does something right
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4/14/2009 1:46:53 AM
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I commend MartinMan for giving Obama credit here .... I personally don't think Obama is a hero ... I give that medal to the SEALs that carried out the mission. I also credit the commander on scene who recognized a threat and gave the GO order. Obama did his part but the others down the line deserve most of the credit.
But guess who on Sunday evening was critizing Obama ... Sean Hannity.
Hannity and Limbaugh are the ones who give Conservatives a bad name .... just like Ted Kennedy and Rachel Maddow give Democrats a bad name.
My two cents ....
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water_watcher
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hey just a "guy"
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4/14/2009 7:08:30 AM
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You are nuts. They are talk radio hosts to get people to look at issues openly and differently versus the biased media like CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc. Yes they have their conservative view, but why is it that conservative talk radio has continued to grow without any individual funding and liberal talk radio falls flat on their face (ie: talk america) even with big liberal dollars behind them.
The reason is that the conservative talk hosts will hammer republicans as much as democrats ... they talk about issues, conservative principals and values that are good for america.
You don't have to listen. It always amazes me how liberals will talk about conservative talk radio as being bad, yet don't complain about liberal talk radio (the few remaining) that is much more one sided and mean spirited. NEWS FLASH ... you don't have to listen to conservative talk radio. I never listen to Talk America and it appears not too many people either.
Rush, Bortz, Hannity, Savage, etc, etc, etc will continue to do well unless BO and the liberals try to take away their 1st Ammendment rights. Can you say freedom of speech.
"My two cents" ... whatever that means.
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Summer Lover
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Armed Guards
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4/14/2009 9:15:09 AM
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The laws need to be changed then, the world is far smaller than it was 100 years ago. The most effective way to combat piracy is to have armed crew on merchant ships - far less cost, and far more coverage. Much the same approach as having an armed populace here - law enforcement officers (Navy)cannot be everywhere, criminals (pirates) will prey on those who are weaker. Come to think of it ... as usual you are right swimmer - the American Goverment is afraid of a mutiny.
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MartiniMan
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4/14/2009 9:44:21 AM
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Just to clarify, I am not in any way saying Obama is a hero as all that credit goes to the captain of the ship and the SEALs that did a spectacular job. What is most interesting to watch is the way the media is going overboard in giving Obama credit. It is a sad comment on our collective expectations of the guy. If McCain had been elected or W were still there all we would have said was, "How come it took so long?" Unfortunately for America we have a guy in the Oval Office that has such low expectations about these kinds of issues that he gets way more credit than is due. Simply put, I am happy that he gave them the go ahead to do the right thing and for that alone he deserves credit.
As for the crack about Rush and Hannity you are exactly wrong. What harms Republicans more was the profligate spending over the last 8-10 years and RINO's like Specter, Snowe and Collins. At least Rush and Hannity remain true to conservative principals, something we can't say for a good many Republican politicians. Having said that, they are still a da** sight better than any Democrat.
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Council Roc Doc
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BO does something right
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4/14/2009 10:37:37 AM
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Have to disagree with all of you here. Now as tidbits of info come out, we find the Obozo was briefed 18 times, (called micromanagement) on this before he finally give the word to the Navy to take action. This after 2.5 days of a bunch of Khat induced Somali's held our Navy at bay. From the moment that this ship was hijacked, the Captain's life was at risk. He should have sent the seals that very day and taken care of this with no negtiation. FBI? What the HE77 were they there for? This has done nothing but embolden the professional terrorists, like Al Queda, knowing how little it takes to hold our military at bay with Bambi in charge.
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JustAGuy
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hey just a "guy"
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4/14/2009 1:26:47 PM
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Okay WW ... I'm nuts, but evidently you can't read.
I never said conservative talk radio wasn't a financial and ratings success. I never said liberal talk radio was a financial and ratings success.
And you have to be kidding when you say "... the conservative talk hosts will hammer republicans as much as democrats"? Yes, Hannity and Rush wil criticize republicans, but "as much as democrats"? Not even close.
As far as who and what I listen to (actually watch on TV), if it's okay with you I'll make that decision for myself. I like to listen to all the various news programs - I don't like getting my info from only one source.
As for Hannity, he could have praised the SEALS and their commander, and just not said anything about Obama. But, as usual, he had to criticize Obama when it wasn't warranted, because he is a right wing hack - just like Olbermann is a left wing hack.
Mayb you should take your own advice and just not read my posts.
Here's another of your quotes - "It always amazes me how liberals will talk about conservative talk radio as being bad, yet don't complain about liberal talk radio ..." Did you not see that I indeed criticized Rachel Maddow in my post? And I should have included Olberman who is a horses patoot.
I am against the Fairness Doctrine and would be against anybody trying to shut down ANY media.
"My two cents" means that I realize that my opinion is not worth any more than anyone else's - and that includes yours.
Martin Man -- I did not mean to imply that you thought Obama was a hero in all this.
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water_watcher
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hey just a "guy"
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4/14/2009 2:48:05 PM
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they are critical of who they believe is wrong on the issues. It is not their fault that the democrat liberals are so out of touch and wrong most of the time.
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But, I watch and read a lot of media and I can't see where any of them have gone "overboard" in praising Obama. In fact, mostly I have heard about the Seal snipers and praise for the ships Captain and his crew. Other than a mention in passing, I haven't heard much about Obama's involvement other than the fact that he gave the military permission to fire and take out the pirates.
As far as CRD's comment about Obama being briefed 18 times and yada, yada -- There are laws and rules governing when and how the military can be used in these situations. I feel sure that it had to clear legal hurdles and I'm sure there were consultations with Congress. It's not like the President gets a whim and says "fire".
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MartiniMan
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4/14/2009 2:58:42 PM
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CDR, I have avoided re-posting here as more facts come to light and it certainly tempers the initial positive reaction. I still think that given the range of options he had at least he kept the right one in the mix versus simply giving into their demands or totally tying the hands of the military with some ridiculous engagement rules that would have prevented them from responding when the opening occurred. Small credit but credit nonetheless.
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JustAGuy
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hey just a "guy"
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4/14/2009 3:03:11 PM
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Water Watcher .... I don't dislike Rush and Hannity because of their conservative views - I dislike them because of the way they present their views.
There are many conservative media folks that I enjoy watching, such as George Will, Britt Hume, John McLaughlin, Pat Buchanan, the late Wlliam Buckley, and many others. These folks present the conservative beliefs in a way that invites debate and discussion. These folks make me think and consider things.
Rush, Hannity and O'Reilly, just like Olbermann and Maddow, try to stir up as much disagreement and hoopla as possible, because that translates into ratings and book sales, which obviously translates into money. None of these people have ever convinced me of anything.
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green,ed
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hey just a "guy"
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4/14/2009 3:34:57 PM
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My thoughts exactly
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Talullahhound
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You are right
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4/14/2009 4:43:12 PM
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A lot of it has to do with the way it is presented. Like Ann Coulter. Just listening to the way she presents makes me want to slap her.
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water_watcher
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You are right
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4/14/2009 8:27:15 PM
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I don't like Ann either ... she is nice to look at, but that is it. I like Sean Hannity. Have met him a few times and he came from very hummble beginnings and struggled and worked hard to get to where he is ... it did not come easy. He volunteers a lot and makes huge contributions to charities. He lives the life he talks about. He is very religous and a great family man.
He only will buy american cars .... which by the way, of all of Obama's cabinet appointments ... only one drove an american made car. Most were Lexus, Mercedes and BMW's
Hmmm. I hope since the government is going to run GM they will drive GM electric vehicles that Obama is going to make them build.
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JustAGuy
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You are right
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4/15/2009 1:07:50 AM
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Water Watcher ... I have a feeling that if I sat down and had a beer with Sean Hannity, I would like him too. I shouldn't put him in the same category with Rush and O'Reilly.
My biggest complaint with Hannity is the way he phrases his questions .... "Senator, when was the last time you beat your wife?"
That kind of thing.
I do admire the way Hannity is a 1st Amendment Guy. His take is, "if you don't like what you're hearing, then change the channel".
That I agree with. I am against ANY censorship.
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JustAGuy
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You are right
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4/15/2009 1:11:58 AM
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Hound, I agree completely.
I have never bought a Coulter book at face value. But, if I see one in the $3.00 bin at Books-A-Million, I will buy one. Because I want the folks keeping count to know exactly what value I put on her books. I've never read one, but I own three.
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Talullahhound
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In Fairness
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4/15/2009 1:43:33 PM
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All of the cars that the government buys are American made. In fact, the government is going to give GM another fleet contract for government cars. I've never totally understood why the government didn't lease cars, but they don't. Our agency had a fleet of about 10 that were all mid-sized Dodge and Taurus.
Our agency's management team all drove Hondas, with the exception of the Director who had a Mercedes SUV and one Office Director who rode a Harley.
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