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GoneFishin
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Obama Speaks, Sales Rise
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5/2/2009 12:33:09 PM
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"The New York Times highlights Chrysler's weak month-end sales, which fell 48 percent in April. "The decline, reported Friday, was the biggest drop among major automakers, and considerably worse than the industry average of 34 percent compared to a year ago," the paper says. But the company's bankruptcy filing Thursday, followed by a speech by President Obama that encouraged consumers to buy American-made cars, was a boon for the automaker. That day, the company had 11,400 sales, or approximately 15 percent of its total for the month. "We closed a lot of deals after the fact," said Steven Landry, Chrysler's executive vice president for North American sales."
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MartiniMan
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Silly man
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5/2/2009 3:38:49 PM
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Oh GF, surely you don't want to go there by trying to give Obama credit fro an uptick in car sales, if its even true.
First of all, Obama did not get what he wanted, which was to hand Chrysler to the unions. If sales went up its because customers think or thought the federal government and unions won't own Chrysler like they do GM (as we watch GM go further down the toilet)and were rewarding the creditors for their principaled stand. If the deal goes through the way he wants it and they will suffer the same fate as GM......
Second, if he deserves credit for this, then he surely deserves blame for all the bad economic news. I am giving a speech in Toronto next week, the topic being the U.S. economy, and I can tell you there is very little good news. The recession has extended beyond what was expected because of the recklessness and irresponsible actions of the administration, our national debt is going to be trillions (spent on entitlement programs...not stimulus) which will completely screw our children and grandchildren and unemployment is headed toward 10%. He is repeating the exact same mistakes made by FDR in the 1930's (I urge you again to read The Forgotten Man by Amity Schlaes)which turned a recession into a depression into the Great Depression.
Finally, who in their right mind can believe anything he says? The Messiah makes up 150,000 new jobs in a month where we lost almost 700,000. There was zero evidence of this claim. He just made it up between debates with his teleprompter about where he was in a speech.
GF, you are way smarter than that.....I usually only see these kind of posts from Lady. Are you trying to get me started?!?!? :-)
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water_watcher
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Obama Speaks, Sales Rise
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5/2/2009 5:35:46 PM
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Don't embarrass yourself that way. I feel sorry for you as others do as well. Now just try to control your posts and you won't have to be committed.
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water_watcher
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Do you know
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5/2/2009 5:37:33 PM
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what Obama drove befor becoming president? Do you know what types of cars his cabinet appointments drive. Hint, not american. Sorry ... one does.
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widgethater
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Silly man
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5/2/2009 9:02:50 PM
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MM- This is the second time you have said Obama did not give Chrysler to the unions. What about the 55% of the company that the union VEBA trust got?
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Talullahhound
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Begs the Question
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5/2/2009 10:02:15 PM
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What kind of car do you drive?
What kind of car did GWB drive before he was elected?
I drive a Honda. When I worked, most of the other Directors drove Hondas, except for my immediate boss who leased a Mercedes SUV. One Director rode his Harley. Now I'm thinking about buying a Volvo or a Lexus. What can this possibly mean?
You guys dive so low on some of this, I'm convinced you have a mouthful of grit. Come up for air.
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MartiniMan
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Begs the Question
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5/3/2009 5:34:38 PM
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I don't understand your point. We were simply responding to GF's claim that Chrysler sales were up because of what the Messiah said. Gosh Hound, I guess in your world when someone makes a bogus claim about Obama and we respond it is because we have grit in our mouth, whatever the heck that means. I know the adminsitration and liberals in general after 8 years of apoplexy and claiming dissent against the President was to source and summit of patriotism but now we must be silent while Obama ravages our republic.....we already know DHS is preparing to persecute people on the right....what next, forced labor camps for tea party participants? How far are you willing to go? Better yet, how far are you going to allow Obama to go before you admit he is a narcissistic socialist?
As for my cars we have a Lexus, Honda, Toyota, Volvo and a Dodge. Honda makes great cars although the Volvo is a 1995 with over 100K miles that my Mom drives and it just goes and goes. Amazing car that can probably make it to 200K miles without a hitch.
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water_watcher
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Here is your answer
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5/3/2009 5:36:26 PM
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Comany car is an Acura RL, wife has an Acura MDX SUV and my has has a VW Passat. I have a Porsche Boxster for fun and a Dodge Pick-up at the lake.
Now you know everything. But I am not using tax payers money to bail out car companies. If they made good cars at competive prices people would buy them. Cost is too high for the quality due to the unions. We as tax payers (not the government) will spend billions to keep GM a float and they will build cars Obama wants them to build, not necessarily what the american people want.
Bush drove a pick-up at his ranch and i know it was american.
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MartiniMan
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Silly man
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5/3/2009 5:36:50 PM
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I think the deal will give 55% to the unions. When I made the original post it was under the assumption that the bondholders would hold strong. But after being attacked by the full force of the government they folded like a house of cards. Castro would be proud of the intimidation that Obama resorts to all the while being defended by the likes of Hound, GF, Lady, etc. They'll only wake up when Obama comes for them......and then it will to late...
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Your point was that Obama did not drive an American car (Actually, I think he did - one of those Chryslers with the fancy grill).
What kind of car you drive is not an indication of your faith in the American economy. It's not anti-American to drive a "foreign" car, even though most of them are made here now.
But, I'm curious how you like your Acura? I have to buy a new car in the next few months and I'm trying to figure out what I want. I'm thinking I need a crossover or a SUV because I regularly haul two dogs around with me, so that kinda rules out a sports car.
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lotowner
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But
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5/4/2009 7:54:17 AM
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What is a foreign car? Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, and Mercedes are manufactured in this country by American workers. I propose that it's time to curb the use of foreign cars terminology and talk about the real threat to the american automobile industry - the UAW.
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lotowner
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More Info on the UAW
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5/4/2009 8:07:31 AM
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Dear Right to Work Supporter,
With this week’s news that Chrysler, one of the “Big Three” Detroit automakers ravaged by decades of compulsory unionism, and that United Auto Workers union entities may end up with a 55 percent stake in the company, it’s important to revisit just how the UAW’s forced unionism has led to the collapse of the American auto industry.
On its Freedom@Work blog, the National Right to Work Foundation has covered the destructive effects of the United Auto Workers union's monopoly bargaining privileges. Some of the UAW union’s transgressions include.
Paying over 12,000 union partisans wages of $31 per hour NOT to work
Running a for-profit golf course that has bled $23 million in the last five years
Establishing an unsustainable pyramid scheme to handle health and pension obligations to retirees
Ron Gettelfinger and the other UAW union bosses have used and abused their government-granted forced unionism privileges to the point where the Big Three could not compete against foreign manufacturers like Toyota, Honda and Nissan. Employees at these foreign-owned automakers work in U.S. plants that are free from monopoly bargaining, and they produce cars largely in Right to Work states where forced dues are prohibited.
Indeed, it is no wonder that forced unionism states have been hit hardest by the current recession.
The UAW union is also notorious for being one of the most militant, intimidating unions when it comes to trying to organize more workers through the abusive “card check” process, as this Right to Work video report shows.
Now it is more important than ever for concerned Americans to get involved -- before the union bosses turn America into a gigantic version of Detroit.
Please read this urgent message from National Right to Work Foundation president Mark Mix appearing below, and sign the Open Letter to President Obama demanding Obama stop forcing taxpayers to pay for bailouts of forced unionism in the auto industry.
Sincerely,
Stefan Gleason, Vice President
National Right to Work Foundation
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We love both Acura's. The MDX is great and decent gas milage ... around 19. My RL I get 26-27 driving from Atlanta to Lake Martin. It amazes me every trip. And it is not a Hybrid.
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water_watcher
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Agree that the UAW
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5/4/2009 1:48:45 PM
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is the real threat to the US auto industry. All I will say as it relates to cars like Honda, BMW, Toyota, Kia, etc ... they are assembled in the US ... many components are imported. So it is a blend.
But I am a big believer that we are in a world economy and it does not matter as long as other nations view it the same. But the US has been a bigger consumer than other countries so we do import more.
As for the president/government running any US industry, I am 100% totally against. That should never be the role of government in a capitalist country ... which is why I say Obama says he is not socialist, but his actions clearly say otherwise.
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Talullahhound
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Agree that the UAW
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5/4/2009 4:15:38 PM
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Agree too about the UAW.
But, I'm not convinced the government wants to run businesses. I wonder if it is not the case where they are trying to make sure that the businesses are sufficiently capitalized and stable before they get out. I don't think it is the role of government to run business either, but when you look at some of the mess "business" (and I include banks here) are in, can the government do much worse? This has just proved to me that business cannot self regulate.
On one hand, I feel sorry for the car companies -- but they allowed the UAW to take control, and they failed to keep up with their "foreign" competitors, i.e. Honda, Toyota. Some days I just think we ought to let them go under and wave good bye.
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water_watcher
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Agree that the UAW
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5/4/2009 9:16:32 PM
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you are right, we should let them go under. But since the UAW supported Obama so strongly he will not let that happen so he is using taxper money to pay back the favor. This is not about Obama's love for the US auto industry ... he could care less.
If the US auto industry goes under, so does the UAW and that is exactly what should happen. The imports that started factories in the US have proven then can run just fine with happy workers with the the UAW.
It is time for everyone to realize that unions have out lived their usefulness and now cause more harm than good and create higher costs through inefficiencies and unreasonable wage rates and benefits.
Look at the new Kia plant across the border in Georgia ... it is going to be one of the most automated plants ever built. Georgia is thrilled with the new jobs created. But see if GM, Ford or Chrysler could build a plant like that to replace one of theirs. No way! The UAW would fight tooth and nail because of the jobs that would be eliminated. But the UAW should actually be saying we are saving X number of jobs through the automation, otherwise everyone will lose their job since they can't compete.
You can't force people to pay more for an american car because the UAW drives up the cost ... oh wait if the government owns then they can pass laws to make other cars more expensive.
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Talullahhound
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Agree that the UAW
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5/5/2009 8:51:33 AM
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I agree with you that unions have outlived their function.
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