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GoneFishin
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QUESTION FOR THE RIGHT
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6/16/2009 10:33:42 PM
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Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.), a staunch fiscal and social conservative, acknowledged Tuesday that he had “violated the vows” of marriage by having an affair with a campaign staffer.
A born-again Christian, he has been a member of the Promise Keepers, a male evangelical group that promotes marital fidelity.
When former Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) was arrested in an airport men’s room in the summer of 2007, Ensign was among Craig’s toughest critics, saying Craig should step down because he had been charged with a crime.
“I wouldn’t put myself, hopefully, in that kind of position, but if I was in a position like that, that’s what I would do,” Ensign told The Associated Press at the time.
During the 1998 impeachment of President Bill Clinton, Ensign, then a Senate candidate, called on Clinton to resign.
Should Ensign resign?
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rude evin
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Answer for the left......
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6/16/2009 11:07:47 PM
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Depends on what the definition of 'position' is...... :-}
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Talullahhound
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QUESTION FOR THE RIGHT
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6/17/2009 12:40:36 AM
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He's considered an "up and coming" leader for the Right. When I heard this today, I assumed that he was 'fessing up to get it out of the way now, so that when he makes his move it'll be "old news".
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water_watcher
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QUESTION FOR THE RIGHT
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6/17/2009 7:05:10 AM
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No matter who does it it is wrong and they should determine if their credibility has been harmed and if they can serve (rather than service) the people.
I will point out that in a recent survey, 40% of married males and 45% of married females have admitted to having an affair. Those are just the ones that admitted it.
The issue with Clintoon was not ONLY that he was getting it under the desk and many other places in the white house and "oval" office ... it was that he "lied under oath" and he jeapordized security with the access he allowed Monica and the conversations she was able to listen to.
Remember Clinton was disbarred for "lying" ... that was proven. All you presented is an ethical issue. Typical liberal.
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BigFoot
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Answer for the left......
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6/17/2009 8:19:20 AM
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...good one gramps! ..spewed me coffee
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lamont
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And Barney Frank?- NT
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6/17/2009 8:43:45 AM
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water_watcher
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And Barney Frank?- NT
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6/17/2009 8:55:53 AM
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but he thought those little boys were so cute and would like his disgusting emails.
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Talullahhound
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Was that BF?
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6/17/2009 9:17:22 AM
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I thought that was the other creepy guy from Florida that quit.
You know, I don't really care about someone's affairs. To me, it's between them, their spouse and God. They haven't broken any laws. Unless of course, it involves harassment or using their position to solicit sex. People are flawed and if we are going to eliminate them because of their human flaws, it's going to give us a very limited talent pool, given the satisitics that WW cited.
On the other hand, it the case of Clinton, it took place while he was in the WH, and Monica was his employee. He compromised both the position of President and he should have been removed.
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GoneFishin
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Was that BF?
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6/17/2009 11:20:56 AM
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Barney is an idiot with all his sexual escapades. People make mistakes, we're all human. The problem with the Republicans is their over the top hypocrisy on moral issues. He joins Newt, Guiliani, and McCain as party leaders who have set great examples for the institute of marriage.
Look for the following comments from the right...
"This isn't news."
"We don't care about his personal affairs."
"We should be supportive of him and his family in their time of need."
"This is just a liberal media smear campaign."
"What about Clinton's affair(s)."
Yet if this were a Democrat...
"Typical Democrat."
"Democrats have no moral values."
"Democrats are full of scum."
"This is what all Democrats do."
"Liberals don't believe in God."
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lamont
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Oh my Gawd!
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6/17/2009 12:31:24 PM
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You are kidding..... right GF? Bill Clinton, Barney Frank, etc.,etc., etc. I can't believe you posted what you just posted.
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AUCATZ
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You just gotta stir things up.
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6/17/2009 12:47:21 PM
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Right, Left, or middle-of-the road...There are people of all kinds in this debate. Morals are very important. While I don't agree with people having affairs, and folks in public office are no different, I do agree with Ms. Hound that this man's fate is up to his constituency to determine.
Has this affair affected his lawmaking capabilities? Don't know. Was he morally wrong? Certainly.
You make all of us who disagree with you on Obama out to be really weird folks, when the fact is we are just normal people who disagree with the man you elected to office. Does this make us crazy? Obviously so in your eyes.
Could be that some of us who voted for BO are blinded by the media-halo and his 'popularity'. Could be that some of us who didn't vote for him are just voicing our concerns that he is proving our earlier fears to be valid. If that makes me a 'weird, right-wing whacko', then so be it. I still think the last 5+ months have proven that the US is going to 'HE_ _' in a handbasket.
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Swimmer27
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Public Office IS different
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6/17/2009 1:07:46 PM
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Those in public office may be in a position to be blackmailed. Just as is the case this time. Private sector folks may be blakmailed also of course, but they don't set PUBLIC policy or ditribute public funds.
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Feb
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Public Office IS different
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6/17/2009 1:46:12 PM
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And public service. Don't forget blackmail in the arena of National Secuity issues (classified information).
Plus the folks of his elevated status are the ones who grill other during confirmations to higher Federal Public Service Positions.
I kind of think you will find ethics and morality violations happening in both political parties and neither are Saints. Then it has always happened over our Country's History. I have heard their was a different interpretaion of George Washington Truely being the "Father of Our Country". Just because Washington slept here does not equate to sleeping.
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AUCATZ
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Don't disagree...
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6/17/2009 2:13:12 PM
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Just said that his constituents will determine what he does.
It seems to me more and more that once someone is elected to office they come to believe they are above the law, ethics, etc.
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Feb
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Don't disagree...
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6/17/2009 3:59:10 PM
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Exactly, and I am not disagreeing with anything you or '27 stated but rather just adding a little more to the discussion.
There are many in private business that have to have a high degree of ethics. Often it is described as "Good-Will" or customer appreciation which is shown through customer loyalty.
There are those who will criticize both Civil Service (Federal, State or Local) and those who will criticize private sector element like car salesmen and lawyers.
I think it should not be generalized by stating all of it in any category is bad or rotten. We should point out the specifics vs. geralizations.
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architect
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Was that BF?
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6/17/2009 6:06:06 PM
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No. It was the morally superior family values GOP creep from FL. that was into emailing little boys. Water watcher has his fact confused yet again. WW, if you have any proof or even reasonable evidence about Frank and young boys produce it. BF is openly gay and has been for decades. His encounters are well documented and I don't recall any of them being with anyone under the age of consent. Gawd, you wingnut are such hypocrits.
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alahusker
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Well..
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6/17/2009 7:01:52 PM
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John resigned his leadership position in the gop, good move and personally hope he is not reelected, if a credible conservative replaces him.. We ought not set a standards here.. I might not measure up and abstain from further posts. (chuckle.)
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MartiniMan
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Nice Try GF
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6/18/2009 5:08:34 PM
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Question for you. Did Ensign commit perjury and try to get others to perjure themselves? If yes, then yes. Clinton's personal perversions were one thing (i.e., a person with a shred of decency would have slunk into the darkness, but being a pervert is a career move for a Dem), but committing perjury, trying to get others to commit perjury, etc. should be impeachable offenses regardless of the original matter. That is the only reason I wanted the dirtbag Clinton impeached. His other personal perversions were simply enough to get me to not vote for him.
You folks on the left never got our issue with Clinton. Too much time listening to Carville claiming it was "all about sex". That was never the issue and never would be.
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Talullahhound
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I got it
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6/18/2009 5:42:59 PM
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He lied. He twisted words.
But, he also brought a sleaze factor into the WH; into the oval office. We were all glad to see him go.
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MartiniMan
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Exactly!
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6/19/2009 5:14:58 AM
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Thanks Hound. It has always been frustrating to me that the template of being about sex was always a red herring. For me it was always about perjury and asking others to perjure themselves that was the crime that in my view deserved the impeachment articles. That it was about sex was unfortunate but he has only himself to blame for that. Whether the Senate came to the right conclusion or not can be left to historians but for sure that sorry episode will be a part of his legacy.
What is ironic about his whole Presidency is that other than when he raised taxes too far (causing a mini-recession that cost Algore the election), Clinton was far more ambitious than ideological. He was generally lasse-faire on business, did nothing on the environment and went along with the Republican controlled Congress on welfare reform, NAFTA and some other right-leaning issues. So he stained (pun intended) what could have been a reasonably good legacy with his personal peccadillio's. Of course, it could be that dealing with those issues prevented him from implementing a more liberal agenda. Not sure on that score.
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Swimmer27
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Exactly!
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6/19/2009 7:55:59 AM
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Well stated MM. In hindsight, I am sorta glad they didn't remove him. If OwlGore had run as a true incumbent, he most likely would have won. That thought scares me even today.
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Talullahhound
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Agree with you there
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6/19/2009 10:02:10 AM
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The thought of Al Gore as President makes me shudder.
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