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Swimmer27
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Iran on YouTube
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6/21/2009 9:53:24 AM
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I have been watching some of the protests on YouTube videos. It is sickening and disheartening that the messiah is sitting back and doing NOTHING to support the people of Iran. I would bet the true death toll is in the hundereds if not thousands.
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Talullahhound
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Iran on YouTube
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6/21/2009 12:32:45 PM
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In watching the news, I understand that he is holding back on the advice of the CIA. They do not want to allow the US to be used by saying that we are instigating the riots.
It's a very dicey situation and we can only hope that something comes out of it for the Iranian people.
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architect
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Iran on YouTube
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6/21/2009 12:48:22 PM
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How high do you think the death toll will be when the Supreme Leader lets the thugs patrolling the streets open up with full lethal force using "complicity" of the Great Satan (US) as his excuse? Obama is balancing on a fine line letting our sympathy with and concern for the reformers be known without being so over the top as to give the head mullah an excuse to go in with tanks and cannons. Even reasonable conservative such as George Will this morning have agreed with Obama's measured response.
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water_watcher
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Iran on YouTube
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6/21/2009 2:00:42 PM
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yup ... ignoring things and expecting it will stop or go away is common for the dems. Look at all the terrorist attacks under Clinton that we did nothing about and it all stopped. Oh wait, 9/11 happened didn't it ... then we showed them you do that stuff and we will hunt you down. But we still have had attacks over the last eight years .... oh wait ... we have not.
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Swimmer27
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I understand
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6/21/2009 3:08:42 PM
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Tanks and cannons are so much more brutal than the riot police riding double on motorcycles, one driving the other spraying the crowd with automatic rifle fire. Those guys must be the softer and gentler side of tyranical theoceracy. And haven't you heard archie, we are NOT the GREAT SATAN any longer. O declared us 'not a christian nation' and then not only did he declare that we are now a 'muslim nation', we are the 'BIGGEST muslim nation' on the planet.
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So what specific actions do you think the US should do with regard to Iran? What do you see as our options? Should Obama call up the Aytollah and tell him to "stop it"? or what? What can we actually do?
And why should we get in the middle of internal affairs of another country?
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architect
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Isn't it obvoius
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6/21/2009 8:23:07 PM
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Hound? These folks have no clue of what really needs to be done other than maybe to send in the Marines! That seems to be the solution of choice by these guys. Unlike a lot of the posters I try not to get personal so I'll just say you ubermensch conservatives aren't idiots but some of your opinions border on idiotic.
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architect
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In fact
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6/21/2009 8:35:43 PM
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I honestly believe that if WW, summerlover, MM, lotowner and all the rest of the gang got their heads together agreed to a consensus solution to the current Iran situation and awoke the next morning to see that Obama had put into action exactly what they decided needed to be done, they would pause only long enough to get their marching orders from Fox before rushing to this forum to condemn Obama for his dangerous actions.
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water_watcher
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what do you smoke?
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6/21/2009 8:48:39 PM
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architect
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I've never smoked anything
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6/21/2009 8:53:50 PM
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but it is interesting that your post was a diversion rather than a confirmation or denial.
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water_watcher
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I've never smoked anything
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6/21/2009 8:58:58 PM
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no diversion ... you just make so little sense and even when so many try to help you see the light, you are so die hard Obama and he can do no wrong that you refuse to open your mind.
So you just go ahead and keep worshiping the messiah and letting government take more from you and controlling more of your life. Someday you will wake up and you won't have to make any decisions for yourself and just let the government tell you how you will live every aspect of your life.
You poor poor soul. I feel so sorry for you that you do not want to live your own life and think for yourself.
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lotowner
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In fact
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6/21/2009 9:30:18 PM
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Architect
You remind me of someone who would have to study to make an "F".
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wix
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Iran --Carter
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6/21/2009 9:46:05 PM
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Shouldn't o-BAMA just send the democrat specialist, Jimmy Carter, to solve all the election problems just as he has done in the rest of the world. I'm sure the Iranian people will remember good ole' boy, democrat Jimmy.
Didn't he solve the last Iranian crisis?? Or did he lead the democrats to defeat for about 25 years??
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lotowner
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Iran on YouTube
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6/21/2009 10:14:59 PM
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CNN appears to be doing a good job of covering what's going on in Iran. However, I have yet to hear any comments on what our government's position should be regarding support for the Iranian protesters. I hear comments from Iranian students that this is their chance to be free.
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Swimmer27
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Hound
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6/21/2009 10:17:10 PM
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The fact is that 65% of Iran's population is under 30yo. They grew up in the internet age and weren't around when Carter was pursuing his disgracing foreign policy. They love Americans and all things Amercian. I know someone whose son flies into Iran on a regular basis. He says that the people there always come flocking to Americans talking about how they love America.
Now as for what specific policies.... how about just growing a sac and making a loud public statement that if the people of Iran rise up to the tyranny and choose to live in a free and democratic society, that they will most definately have the full force and support of the greatest nation on the planet. But I forget that O doesn't even want fredom for us, why would he do anything that might propagate it any where else.
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architect
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I've never smoked anything
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6/21/2009 10:44:20 PM
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WW, again a diversion of name calling. Always you can only belittle others and spout thr party line. You are obviously unable to form an original thought. Have you ever actually answered a question in your entire sad life? Well have you?
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water_watcher
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I've never smoked anything
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6/22/2009 6:25:08 AM
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It is so funny to see your accusations, when it is you that continues to wear blinders and never address an issue. Many point that out to you and challenge you to put your own thoughts forward and you never do.
I am very confident that I have my own thoughts and view and don't need government making decisions for me or taking more of what I have earned to spend for me (unlike you).
At least people like hound will disagree with some of the liberal direction and people like me and MM and swimmer have given Obama credit for a few things he has done right. But the problem is that the general direction is totally wrong, so you can say that is party line, but I don't agree with 95% of what BO and his administration is doing and I have listed specifics many, many, many times.
He is doubling the national debt, expanding government, taking more of our freedoms away through more taxes and government regulations, he is trying to force national healthcare on us, he is weakening national security, his budget and stimulus is massive wasteful spending that will create huge inflation in future years and huge interest rates to control it, his engery policy is going to send oil bak to $100 to $200 a barrell hurting lower income people the most, he is more focused on his agenda of socialism and big government rather than getting the economy moving and creating jobs. Even with the massive wasteful spending jobless claims are still running at over 600,000 every week. Yet BO talks about how many jobs he saved and people like you buy that BS when you never would have bought it for a republican. My God, the dems were critical of the huge job growth under Bush, after he took over a recession and then 9/11, by saying they were not "quality" jobs. Not saying I agree, but what is better a job created that is less than perfect or no job?
So there you go .... now it is your turn ... what is it that you LOVE so much that Obama is doing right???
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water_watcher
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you are right ...
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6/22/2009 6:26:30 AM
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water_watcher
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you are right ...
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6/22/2009 6:27:44 AM
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opps.
:)
Carter solved it by sticking his head in the sand for over a year hoping it would fix itself.
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I think that would just be rhetoric. The truth is that we have no leverage with Iran. And once the people in the street that are protesting are seen as pawns of the US, it plays right into the hand of the current regime. We're not going to invade Iran (nor should we, although I'm sure there are some neo-cons thinking that's what we should do).
I heard with McCain and Lindsay Graham had to say over the weekend. But, they are just talking to their conservative base. The truth is that there is nothing we can do. At this point, the Europeans, who have a trading relationship with Iran are more influential in condemning Iran than we are.
From a human perspective, it's hard to see the pictures in Iran. But, if there is going to be real, lasting change in Iran it has to come from within. And some people will die for the cause.
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Obama hasn't sent Jimmy Carter anywhere. Carter travels the world on his own.
And speaking of Iran and Carter, wouldn't it be great to have another spectacular failure in Iran like we did back then?
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Talullahhound
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Iran on YouTube
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6/22/2009 7:51:22 AM
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I think we have been supportive. They know we support them without us issuing escalating statements. We have no leverage with Iran that would be helpful to the protesters.
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MrHodja
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But
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6/22/2009 1:23:46 PM
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Hound, I agree.
Nasreddin Hodja, from Lerici, Italy
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Summer Lover
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In fact
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6/22/2009 1:53:14 PM
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I will write this slowly - I do NOT think that we should be meddling in the affairs of Iran. I do not think that WE have a right or a mandate to dictate how others live. I do not care what part of the globe you point to, if it ain't the United States of America - tough. We have far too many issues that we can address here. If we sit back - we are scolded, if we act - we are scolded. If we see a clear threat from Iran towards us - address that threat, until that time, this is an internal conflict.
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Talullahhound
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Amen n/t
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6/22/2009 4:25:05 PM
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Swimmer27
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Hmmmm...
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6/22/2009 7:14:15 PM
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he doesn't seem to have the same problem 'meddling;' in the affairs of Isreal, Egypt, Saudia Arabia or any of the other countries run by his brethren. What was the much hailed Cairo speech if not "meddling' in affairs. If speeches are meddling, then that is the ONLY thing he has done.
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Summer Lover
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Hmmmm...
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6/22/2009 11:19:43 PM
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I did not say that I agreed with BO, I stated that we should not be meddling with other's affairs. Yes, he and we have done so quite frequently in the past and am sure that it will continue. We do not need to be the world's policeman, nor do we need to be the world's apologizer. Our policies should be consistant, but they are not.
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Swimmer27
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But
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6/23/2009 8:49:18 AM
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Thats all politicians have is rhetoric. I don't disagree with you. Yes, their 'change' must come from within, just like ours will in '10 and '12. But the rhetoric could be more forceful, more targeted, even more prolific. Google Reagans speech on Poland when the revolution began there. That is leadership. It is only the 'ruling class' in Iran that buys into the Great Satan bit from what I have read. The youth, and remember that is 65% of the people, are pro-American.
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architect
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But, keep in mind
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6/23/2009 9:17:24 AM
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It's the "ruling class" that controls the folks with the guns and they are itching to use US "interference" as an excuse to start even more shooting. Obama is wise to measure his words carefully to keep Iranian blood off thr streets of Tehran and off the hands of the US gov't.
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Swimmer27
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Sticks and Stones...
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6/23/2009 1:52:33 PM
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I am sorry, but I just don't see how the POTUS making a forceful statement that we support their efforts and will be willing to establish diplomatic channels with a new regime can be blamed for, or used as, an excuse for the continued killing of innocents.
Adn do tell me Archie the kool aide king, what happened to all this world peace that was going to sudeenly befall the planet if we only elected the messiah? He is/was going to bring all the worlds tyrants to the table and sing kumbaya (sp) and lennons "imagine". And the light was going to shine on high and enlighten all the world to the ways of O.
Oh thats right, it was all just campaign rhetoric and meant nothing.
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Summer Lover
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Sticks and Stones...
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6/23/2009 3:17:07 PM
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"It was all just campaign rhetoric and meant nothing." Wrong... It is however like "Imagine", good analogy. I am waiting for the time when the State Troopers and Marine Police have to trade in their cars, boats, guns, cuffs and flashing lights for a more effective crime prevention method - just say "please". If it works well here, we can continue to the rest of the world. Please don't speed, please don't drink and drive, please don't hurt them. Go forth young man, spread the word, stop this ineffective punishment thing and let's go to positive reinforcement. Now sing Kumbaya.
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