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water_watcher
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Canada Healthcare
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7/30/2009 10:33:35 PM
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Archie ... this is what Canada's healthcare is REALLY like.
Only it would be 10 times worse in the US. WHY, seriously WHY, would you think our government could run it better? Look at medicare, look at social security, look at even the stupid cash for clunker program. Are you seeing the problems that they have now had to suspend the program. This administration is a total joke and would not trust anything they do. and fortunately smart people are seeing that and the polls continue to fall.
This video is a bit long but worth watching if you even remotely think Obamacare could be good.
URL: Canada Healthcare
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water_watcher
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Canada Healthcare
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7/31/2009 9:13:32 AM
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so this has the liberals speechless. because this is what we are in for with Obama care. Every american should see this and every member of congress that casts a vote in favor of Obama care should view this and guarantee americans that our GREAT healthcare system will not be destroyed this way. And that if this is the end result, that members of congress and the president himself will go sit in clinics for hours to get a simple test.
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architect
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Canada Healthcare
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7/31/2009 9:58:03 AM
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It was announced this morning that the "cash for klunkers" program has been suspended because in just a week the program has led to the purchase of 250000 cars from our neighbors who are in the auto sales business.
As for healthcare in Canada I can't say rate it because I'm not from Canada and have not experienced it. Have you WW? I do know a little about the workings of that system. I have a client and his wife who are both citizens of Canada. They moved to Atlanta about 10 or 12 years ago. They spent the first 30+ years of their existance on the Canada plan and the last decade dealing with our system. They both say that given a choice even with its problems they would opt for the Canadian system over ours. They have educated me somewhat to the Canada system. It is single payer as in UK but not socialized as in the UK. That is each Province (they are kinda like states WW), not the federal gov't negotiates with private providers for base plans paid by taxes. Each individual can purchase supplemental coverage above and beyond the single payer base plan if they desire. Most do because these plans are reasonably inexpensive since the critical care stuff is covered by the provincial plans. They also debunk the claims of people coming to the US for care unavailble in a timly manner in Canada. If you have a serious or lift threatening situation in Canada it is taken care of as quickly or quicker than in the US. As Ive stated before, just because Mitch McConnell or Rush Limbaugh or some right wing blogger or You Tube performer says it does not make it a so.
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Talullahhound
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Canada Healthcare
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7/31/2009 10:13:52 AM
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I have seen the Canadian health care system in action. A close friend of mine's twin sister had a very rare form of breast cancer which has a survival rate of 20% for 5 years. She was denied Tamoxifin (the standard follow up drug after breast cancer) because her rate of survival was so low. Thankfully, she is now a 9 year BC survivor, but she still does not get the yearly follow up tests that would be standard in this country.
So we don't want a Canadian system.
But, as I understand it, some of the Scandinavian countries have government controlled health care that works quite well, with a high standard of care.
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rude evin
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If you liked..........
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7/31/2009 11:16:39 AM
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The way the cash for clunkers program was run by the gov't........you'll really like the way a complex program like health care will be run.......
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water_watcher
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Please answer 2 questions
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7/31/2009 12:08:25 PM
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The guy that filmed this did not tell the people what to say. Are you suggesting this was a set up? I already said I do have experience from our canadian office that employed over 10,000 people in canada. Seems to be a pretty good sample.
lastly, if the canadian system is working so well in your view or your "friends" view, then why are they working to move it back to a private system and why do they have private clinics that you can get faster and better care as long as you are willing to pay more? Seems like those that can afford better care will always have it. How is that different than today?
What is it that YOU do not like about health care in the US? And what do YOU see as the proposed program making it better?
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water_watcher
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Canada Healthcare
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7/31/2009 12:14:45 PM
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thanks for your honest perspective. I do not doubt that smaller countries can have a socialized system that may work ok. I think for the majority of americans they are satisfied with what exists, recognizing there are some flaws and fixes that need to be made to improve the availability of coverage. But the systems does not need to be completely changed and turned on its head for the small percentage that do not have or can not get coverage. Or do we have to have a system we illegals are covered at the expense of hard working, tax paying US citizens.
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water_watcher
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Cash For Clunkers
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7/31/2009 12:21:07 PM
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I wanted to respond to this separately. My view is this is one of the few parts of the stimulus that I thought would work. The sad part is, that out of $800 billion dollars, Obama allocated $1 billion to this and it ran out in 4 days when it was suppose run through November.
What did they thing was going to happen.
This is the type of program that actually works because it puts money in the hands of people and they will take action rather tahn more government.
But a 4 day program will not stimulate anything. Some inventory was moved off the lots and now it is over. What they needed was a longer term program, that even is open to more people so it will get factories running again and people back to work which really will start to move the economy forward. They should have put $25 or $50 billion to this program rather than $1 billion and canceled some of the BS wasteful spending that is going on.
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Talullahhound
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Two things
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7/31/2009 1:58:06 PM
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I do think something needs to be done about the rising cost of HC premiums. My insurance has been going up in double digit percentages every year for the past 5 years.
And I don't agree with Obama that tort reform isn't necessary. Part of the reason that Drs. prescribe test after test is because they are afraid if they don't put us through all the tests, we'll come back and sue them for malpractice. There are instances of malpractice, but to the extent that Drs. are sued? I don't think so.
I don't think socializing medicine is the answer. I'm concerned if Drs. are suddenly salary capped, we'll soon lose the best and brightest from the medical profession. My Canadian friend has told me how "disinterested" Drs. can be in Canada.
My friend was a nurse for 20+ years, and she left the profession because of staff cutbacks, and equipment shortages that she felt were jeopardizing patients health. Good thing she did too, because right after she left, there was a major incident and court case involving her hospital and patient care. And this was a major hospital in Downtown Toronto.
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water_watcher
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Two things
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7/31/2009 4:09:57 PM
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you definitely see the danger and pitfalls of where we are headed. There are definitely "improvements" that need to be made with our system ... but not the overhall that is being proposed. baby steps always are better with such a large program and systems rather than a total overhall. Tackle the problems on a priority basis one at a time. If the dems would stand up and say, if just one aspect of healthcare could be fixed it is "X" ... I am sure there are many bi-partisian approaches that could be put forth that would work. The trouble is, issues that effect a small percent of individuals are being addressed by proposing changing the whole system that effects the vast majority.
Let our law makers prove they can fix a single issue and work to build credibility, then move on to the next.
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Yankee06
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Two things
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7/31/2009 6:13:51 PM
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Since we're all talking about "two things", let's talk these two things: health care and educattion.
-Both need to be fixed in this country. I just don't believe the democrats' approach is the right one., ..and I don't support the Repubs' appraoch either because I believe it is basically a ----leave them as they are, because my personal HC and Education is good.
-If these two groups of self-agrandizing SOB's would stop politicing and do some problem solving, something useful might happen.
-Back to education and Health Care: If we get government-run, socialized health care, I would bet a year's pay that our heath care system will end up like our school system; the rich will have private medicine like they have private schools. The poor will get the same quality of medicine as they now get quality of schools. ...anybody have an idea on how many Congrressmen send their kids to DC public schools?
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JustAGuy
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Two things
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7/31/2009 7:15:13 PM
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Once again Yankee ... I couldn't say it better myself. Great post.
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architect
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Please answer 2 questions
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7/31/2009 7:45:11 PM
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I do not like the fact that my insurance premium increased 6 fold in 10 years. I do not like and on the few occasions I used it it was like pulling teeth to get payment and on occasion I never got payment. I do not like the fact that when in disgust I tried to go to another provider I was turned down because I had had a single case of the least serious skin cancer 9 years ago with no recurence. I do not like the fact that in the 7th year with my carrier even with a huge premium increase they dropped all dental coverage and increased drug and Dr. copays by 75%. Maybe you like your situation WW, but I'm much happier with medicare and AARP supplemental for the present. My premiums have been cut 40%.
Where is your company located in Canada? The Ontario program is the worst and the B.C. program is the best.
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architect
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Two things
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7/31/2009 7:50:36 PM
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Yankee, you should run for Congress.
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water_watcher
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my point
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8/1/2009 7:41:36 AM
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address what is wrong with the current system ... don't throw out the whole system and some to socialized medicine under a single payer system. While you may be happy with medicare, the system is bankrupt and full of corruption. Why not tinker with that and fix it, before changing the whole system.
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architect
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NO,my point WW
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8/1/2009 12:02:42 PM
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I just pointed out some of what is wrong, at least in my case, with the current system which illustrates why it needs change. You say it Medicare that need change. I'm sure it does, but 70% of those polled rated Medicare a 9 or 10 on a 10 point scale in a recent Keiser Fdn. poll. 84% rated it 7 or better. The same poll found only 43% of those with private insurance rated their coverage at 7 or above. I know your next rant.....The Keiser Fdn. is just another left wing special interest group.
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architect
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and BTW
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8/1/2009 12:04:53 PM
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You are dreaming if you think any of the proposals now under consideration "throws out the current system".
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water_watcher
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NO,my point WW
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8/2/2009 9:25:07 AM
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Even though the question was directed to GF and again you respond (hmmm) ... at least you admit when you are wrong. Thanks
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