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lotowner
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E Mail Campaign
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8/10/2009 2:16:18 PM
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Below is a copy of e mails that are going out by Obama's supporters. The intent is to drum up support for the health care bill in congress. I called Congressman Griffith's office and learned that he is against this bill. We need to continue to monitor because some of these members of the house have a reputation for saying one thing and voting another.
Friend --
Members of Congress have been home for just a few days, and they're already facing increased pressure from insurance companies, special interests, and partisan attack organizations that are spending millions to block health insurance reform.
These groups are using scare tactics and spreading smears about the President's plan for reform, trying to incite constituents into lashing out at their representatives and disrupting their events.
The goal of these disruptions is for a few people to get a lot of media attention and hijack the entire public discourse. If they succeed, all Americans -- Democrats, Republicans, and Independents -- will continue to struggle under the broken status quo.
It's up to us to show Congress that those loudly opposing reform are a tiny minority being stirred up by special interests, and that a huge majority strongly supports enacting real health insurance reform in 2009.
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Talullahhound
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E Mail Campaign
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8/10/2009 3:41:01 PM
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I think there are a lot of people (including Republicans) who do think that something needs to be changed about health care. The problem is they disagree about what needs to be done and how to pay for it.
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au67
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E Mail Campaign
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8/10/2009 4:42:28 PM
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Notice that the administration now refers to 'health insurance reform' and not 'health care reform.' Common sense says these folks can't be trusted to tell the truth. There always has to be a villain.
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water_watcher
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E Mail Campaign
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8/10/2009 6:12:29 PM
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agree ... the system is "not" broken, some changes may be needed and be sure people that need or want coverage can get it.
But we do not need a total overhaul of the system to fix issues that impact a small percent of the people. And we certainly do not need the government running the program and providing coverage to illegals at hard working american tax payers expense.
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JustAGuy
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E Mail Campaign
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8/10/2009 6:23:11 PM
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URL: No Coverage For Illegal Immigrants
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wix
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E Mail Campaign
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8/10/2009 6:57:16 PM
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Are we supposed to believe this idiot or Katie? Katie's dumb and o-BAMA is lying through his teeth. BTW, illegals already have free health care; all they have to do is go get in line in front of you at the local hospital ER. Wake up. o-BAMA's plan is to eliminate illegals by making them all citizen democrat puppets just like you.
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Lighthouse
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E Mail Campaign
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8/10/2009 7:11:11 PM
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And what did that double-talk mean?? Yes or No?
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JustAGuy
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E Mail Campaign
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8/10/2009 10:15:28 PM
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Wix .... I'd be willing to bet that Katie Couric's SAT scores and college transcripts are better than both mine and yours. As for illegals having health care ... we agree, they already have it simply by showing up at an ER. What I said, and what Obama said, is that his plans for health care/health insurance reform do NOT include coverage for illegals. And finally, you don't know me, so please don't attempt to define me as a "democrat puppet", and in return I won't characterize you as a right wing, racist, narrow-minded zealot, who wants to shoot anyone who has an opposing viewpoint. Deal?
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JustAGuy
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E Mail Campaign
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8/10/2009 10:17:49 PM
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What double-talk? He said his plan doesn't cover illegals, and the only exception he might make is to cover illegal children who are sitting next to our kids in schools and playgrounds, giving our kids illnesses because the illegals don't have vaccinations and preventive care. That's not double-talk, that's common sense.
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architect
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just a guy
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8/10/2009 10:30:31 PM
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You won't find many takers for common sense in this bunch.
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| Name: |
wix
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E Mail Campaign
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8/10/2009 11:13:02 PM
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I think our description of each other is fairly accurate, but I have to ask why you think I'm a racist?
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JustAGuy
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E Mail Campaign
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8/10/2009 11:18:01 PM
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Sorry Wix ... you missed the sarcasm ... I don't think you are racist ... and I don't think you are narrow-minded, etc, etc. .... all I was trying to say was .... let's agree to disagree without resorting to name-calling. Thanks.
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wix
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So, if o-BAMA
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8/10/2009 11:18:11 PM
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is not going to cover illegals, does that mean he will terminate the free care they already receive. I guess he is just saying that he will let the adults die, but care for the chillddrenn. Wish I could type it the way Michael Jackson used to say chillddreeen.
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JustAGuy
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So, if o-BAMA
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8/10/2009 11:25:35 PM
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Wix .. I promise you, we agree on the fact that illegals are a huge problem in this country ... but the treatment of illegals at ERs is not a federal issue, it is a state/local one, and it also has to do with physician's Hippocratic oath ... doctors simply can't refuse care to anyone, even if they are illegal. I think we should address the issue of stopping illegals from coming into this country, to getting illegals deported, and to providing a way for illegals to achieve "legal" status. If we can address those issues, then the issue of illegals receiving health care will be minimized.
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water_watcher
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No ....
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8/11/2009 6:21:07 AM
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common sense would be if we sent them back and said you are welcome to come back to our country, but do it legally. You liberals "common sense" is so twisted. Unbelievable. We know they are illegal, their parents pay no taxes, we are using our tax payers to educate them, forcing two languages in our school and all you can say is that it would be common sense to cover them for health care as well.
What planet are you from? How did your mind get so twisted?
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water_watcher
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We should cover illegals
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8/11/2009 6:27:10 AM
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Here is the answer. I think we should give healthcare to illegals. We are a humane society and don't want people to suffer or not get treatment if they need it. But ....
when they go to the doctor or hospital, adult or children, if they can not prove they are a citizen or in the country legally, then the INA must be notified immediately. They are arrested and after their treatment are deported. If it is a child, then the parents are also arrested and immediately deported after the initial treatment.
Simple.
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water_watcher
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WRONG ...
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8/11/2009 6:29:15 AM
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the are in the country illegally ... that is a federal issue. The last time I checked the INA was a federal agency. I don't know, maybe it changed, I did not check snopes.
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water_watcher
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And ...
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8/11/2009 7:27:47 AM
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the same thing should be done related to educating illegals. How can or why should someone in the country illegally be allowed to be educated in our country causing us to pay more taxes to fund their free education.
We may not be able to completely control the borders, but we can arrest and deport illegals when they try to use services such as schools and healthcare, renting an apartment, getting a drivers license, credit card, etc. Anything that is a right for legal tax paying citizens.
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wix
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Racist
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8/11/2009 8:53:24 AM
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Nope I didn't miss your sarcasm. You missed the fact that you democrats cannot describe any thought other than one programed into you without calling someone a racist. While sarcasm, it says more about your problems than mine. Call me an anti-socialist.
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Talullahhound
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No ....
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8/11/2009 9:03:05 AM
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I don't think we are educating illegals. What I think is that some kids of illegals are born in this country and are therefore American citizens.
Remember I told you that the county I lived in VA tried to do something about the illegal problem? Well, they were basically told by the INS that they couldn't handle the volume of illegals. There is a deportation process and most illegals just disappear while awaiting deportation.
The question of illegals is not quite as easy as you would make it. The agricultural community depends on cheap Central American help to do the work that Americans no longer want to do. We have a long history of migrant workers in this country. You may recall that GWB wanted to set up an illegal workers program.
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| Name: |
wix
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o-BAMA lied
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8/11/2009 9:07:23 AM
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when he said illegals would not be covered. That's my point, and I explained that they are already insured by the Fed's and will be under o-BAMAcare. o-BAMA lied to the American people and Katie Curic is either dumb enough to go along with his lie, stupid enough to think we don't know it's a lie, or a puppet for the democrat party. I think the latter applies.
BTW, coverage for all patients at hospital ERs was mandated by a liberal Supreme Court many years ago, I believe. Unfortunately states have no say so, they just have to pay a portion of the bill. Some states, like CA, and locals may increase coverage for illegals. Doctors do not have to see all patients in their office. Doctors can refuse Medicaid patients. Hospitals generally require physicians with "hospital privileges" to take call, which will get most physicians involved with our illegal friends, but only through the ER, I believe.
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water_watcher
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Yes ....
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8/11/2009 12:52:50 PM
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I agree it is not as easy I laid it out. But, the point was that there are things that can be done rather than throwing up ones hands. GWB had a decent idea to legally have illegals work on farms, etc. It is controlled and known.
I am not sure that the majority of who we would think are illegals have been born in the US.
But I do feel we need to take stronger action when providing healthcare or education. By doing nothing we encourage say it is fine, no penalty, so the problem grows.
We can have more raids and heavy fines and jail time for employers that repeatedly hire illegals. Remember, they are avoiding taxes too. There is no longer and excuse with e-verify.
We can build some detention centers with the stimulus dollars to hold illegals before they are deported. Even if it means running multiple flights a day back to mexico (or other countries).
The fence was part of the solution, but not the only answer. Allowing employers, like farmers to hire illegals during peak times is an option if it is controlled.
Also it is an 'assumption' that americans do not want those jobs, so it should be set up that qualified americans get first shot at those jobs.
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JustAGuy
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Racist
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8/11/2009 1:32:34 PM
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And you are missing the fact that I don't define myself as a Democrat. As I've stated many times here, I have voted for Democrats, Republicans and Independents/Third Party candidates over the years. Many of you want to lump everyone who may disagree with you into a tidy bundle of liberal democrats, but there are many of us that don't fall into that label.
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Talullahhound
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Yes ....
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8/11/2009 2:38:19 PM
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Don't know if you quite understood what I was saying. Illegals that manage to give birth to children in the US -- those children are American citizens, and have the same rights to education as other American citizens. Although, I do think I saw something about CA schools allowing illegal children to enter school. Figures, CA.
I think hiring American citizens to do agricultural labor jobs would mean that farmers would have to pay minimum wage -- and frankly, I don't know if they can afford it. I'm not saying that I think it is right, but there it is. And I don't believe American citizens are clamoring for laboring jobs either. Heck, even the lawn maintenence crew that does my lawn is mostly hispanic. And I don't know if they are legal or not.
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Yankee06
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8/11/2009 4:42:27 PM
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-Interesting how this string of posts have ended with illegal immigrants
-I believe this is one BIG problem, --so a few comments on aboe.
---GWB didn't propose a work program for illegals. If Mexicans or Latin Americans participated in his work plan they would be here legally. When I lived in Northern Virginia I knew a guy who had a moving company. He brought in workers from Romania. They worked here one day less than 6 months. Then he rotated them back to Romania and brought in a second crew. He had three crews he rotated this way. He bought a motel where they all lived while working here. They worked 10-12 hour days. They made $10 to $15 per hour depending on how long they worked for the company. In 6 months they made money comprebable to 3 years wages in Romania. The owner said they were much better workers than he could have gotten for that price on the local labor market. No adverse impact on Virgina schools, hospitals, etc. Everyone was happy: the workers, the owner, the Commonwealth of Virginia, and Romania, There is the perfect example of how it should be done ---if work is the reason illegals are here. If the reason is anchor babies and a free ride, then the above exmaple won't work; --the present system will.
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water_watcher
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Yes ....
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8/11/2009 5:35:30 PM
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i do understand if born in US, even with illegal parents they have rights. :) That is why we need to control the illegals.
As for having to pay minimum wage ... first I do not agree with the concept of minimum wage to begin with, and that IS why we have illegals coming in to the country because they will work for less than minimum so employers take advantage of that. So minimum wage is partly the cause of the problem. If we can not eliminate minimum wage, then have a lower agricultural wage and then come down on employers if the do not do it legally.
Taxes are not being paid, so the other tax payers take up the slack and have their taxes go up.
Please don't say you will not get americans to work for less than the current minimum wage. The only reason that would be true is because we have other socialist benefits where they do not have to. It is a job and if they are out of work and need work, take it and then look for something better.
When I was young, my parents had no money and we struggled as a family. I took every odd job i could find, including mowing lawns at $2 or $3 a clip at 11 years old so i could have some spending money or buy a new pair of jeans or shoes.
Trouble is we have become lazy because the "government" will take care of us by taking from others.
I earned mine the hard way and expect others to do the same.
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Mack
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Yes ....
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8/11/2009 6:52:29 PM
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" I earned mine the hard way, and expect others to...." Me Too.
Unfortunately, many of our children in the next generation were not listening, or did not believe it. They have taken a different path, and they vote a different ticket.
Right or wrong? History will tell the tale.
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Talullahhound
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Yes ....
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8/11/2009 10:07:31 PM
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Yes, and I worked too, first a babysitting and then part time, all through school because my parents believed that I should learn the value of money. And Feb had the same experience and I actually believe he did work on a farm for a time. But, my impression is that most young people today aren't interested in working that hard and really, why should they? Their parents give them everything. It's a different world now. In VA, after I moved and while I still had the house, I paid $50 to a young man from my realtor's church to come and mow my lawn.
You may not like minimum wage laws, but we have them. And I honestly don't believe that you would get many Americans who would work agricultural for minimum wage, much less less than minimum wage. The work ethic is seriously missing and it's not just because of welfare programs. It's our culture and the way our society has changed. Most young people now think they should get out of school and within 3 years they should be in charge. LOL.
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Talullahhound
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Yes ....
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8/11/2009 10:09:15 PM
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The problem is that they were working but not paying taxes. And sending their money out of the country.
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water_watcher
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Yes ....
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8/11/2009 10:49:31 PM
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I actually admire the work ethic of mexicans in the US. But we need to ask ourselves why is that the case. Why will they leave their country, come to the US illegally to get a job in the US. They bust their rear end and then we say they have jobs no one else wants. Why? Think about it.
It is our government and our move to socialism that americans will not take and do those jobs.
I realize our young are now spoiled .., I gave way too much to my son because I did not want him to have to work as hard as i did. There is good and bad with that. If they do turn out well, which my son did (thankfully), they still do not have the same appreciation for what they have or the pleasure for the hard work and the thrill of achievement.
That is why I hate a national healthcare plan ... each of these only change our culture for the worse.
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Talullahhound
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Yes ....
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8/12/2009 8:21:36 AM
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Without launching into a whole new discussion, this is why I think we got into the financial crisis. Because of a sense of entitlement.
But, you can't stop the change in our culture. Even if we don't like it, we can't put the genie back in the bottle.
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Barneget
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Yes .... hound
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8/12/2009 11:23:44 PM
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Help me understand please....you are a retired fed employee, with insight to international relations. Right here, we have 18 counties known as the Black Belt, with soil that is suited for cotton, populated by 600,000 people, 40% unemployment, 45% HS graduation rate, consumers of 21 - 22% of state tax dollars, can't find numbers for federal dollars, yet, we see numerous Crowley shipping containers traveling the highways of this region. They are almost exclusively loaded with Pakistani cotton bound for US mills. Would this cotton import program fall under the heading of foreign aid? Could our officially "unofficial" program of doing nothing to reverse the tide of illegals be considered some form of foreign aid?
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Talullahhound
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Yes .... hound
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8/13/2009 2:11:14 AM
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Not sure if it is foreign aid. I don't know if it applies here but there is something called an "offset". A company wants to sell it's products in a foreign country. The foreign country requires that the company either 1/ offer jobs, manufacturing or some other tangible asset for the contract or 2/ requires the company to accept payment in the form of some indigenous product which the company will then have to find a market for.
I don't know if I've explained it all that well.
I'm not a foreign trade expert and there may be other programs. Or it just may be that cotton from Pakistan is selling much cheaper than US cotton. We've all heard stories about MidWest farmers selling food products (wheat, corn, etc) in foreign markets instead of at home because the overseas markets were better.
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architect
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Yes
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8/13/2009 9:06:26 AM
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It's called free market capitalism.
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Is there something wrong with that?
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architect
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Archie
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8/13/2009 6:07:55 PM
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Nope. Just wondering why Barneget was complaining about it. When Alabama can produce and ship cotton as cheaply as the Packys the mills (are there actually any left in your part of the world?) will buy from Alabama. Southwest Ga. still grows lots of cotton thanks to the Mexicans (legal and otherwise).
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Barneget
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Archie
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8/13/2009 9:45:47 PM
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YaDipp! It was an observation followed by a question(s). Thanks for the insight Hound.
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JustAGuy
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YaDipp?
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8/14/2009 10:10:15 PM
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What does YaDipp mean? Thanks.
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