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wix
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Change?
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8/23/2009 4:49:54 PM
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Here's some change that should make you sick at your stomach. See video below.
URL: You won't believe this.
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MartiniMan
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Of course we should
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8/23/2009 4:58:24 PM
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What did anyone expect given his background? Believe me, this is just the beginning.
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architect
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Of course we should
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8/23/2009 5:23:14 PM
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The Constitution gives us freedom of religion. I believe it also makes the President Commander in Chief. That being said I would like to see the evidence that Obama actually ordered this. I remember another post a few months ago claiming Obama had ordered military officers to read Miranda rights to persons captured in Iraq and Afgan. Turned out to be incorrect. Gen. Petraeus debunked it for the military and the FBI said civilian agencies did it and had been for years.
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Talullahhound
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Of course we should
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8/23/2009 5:56:54 PM
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First of all, there is no indication that Obama made this decision. Remember the plane thing in NY? Turned out it was a staffer. I'd be looking at the Pentagon leadership.
But, having said that, I'm glad they enforced the policy. While we have FREEDOM of religion, we don't have STATE-SPONSORED religion. I question how appropriate it is having recruits sworn in at such a rally. Additionally, who do you think pays for the fly-overs? That's right - the government. I think this is a good example of cutting waste from the Pentagon budget. I'm sure it costs thousands of dollars to do a fly over.
Just because we've always done it doesn't mean it was ever the right thing to do.
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Lady
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Of course we should
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8/23/2009 6:02:07 PM
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From the Military Officers Association of America:
"But the real problem here is that the blame for the denial is once again put on the shoulders of the current administration and is being used as a propaganda tool by those that see a culture war in every action it takes. The labeling of the denial as ‘unjust’, and jumping to the conclusion that President Obama wishes to strip faith out of any public event is irresponsible."
http://www.moaablogs.org/battleofthebilge/2009/07/godandcountry_flyover/
URL: http://www.moaablogs.org/battleofthebilge/2009/07/godandcountry_flyover/
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architect
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Change a word Hound
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8/23/2009 6:21:52 PM
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Rather than say its the "government" that pays for it, why not be more precise and say the "taxpayers". If you use that term you might suddenly find this bunch on your side.
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architect
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WELL DONE LADY
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8/23/2009 6:29:33 PM
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How do like them apples wix? Based on your above post and your response to my question about firearms at townhall rallies you are about to replace WW as my nominee as the craziest of the bunch. Do you endorse the Rev's prayer wix?
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wix
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I'm impressed
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8/23/2009 7:04:08 PM
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With the immediate pouncing by the likes of Archy, Hound, and even Lady, I think I struck a nerve. Since the TSIC (TSgt what's in charge) made the command decision to deny the fly over, I guess the chain of command has really shifted lately. What ever happened to the concept that the man at the top (o-BAMA himself) is responsible for actions taken by those in his command. In this case, he delegated his authority to some underling who told the TSIC to write the letter. Don't even think I'll believe the AF did this on their own, not with a 42 year tradition involved.
With this precedent, no flyovers at football games, can't do flyovers at every NASCAR race because they say a prayer and play the national anthem.
BTW, fly overs are easily justified as one of the best recruiting tools the military services have at their disposal.
Why do the three of you try to deflect responsibility from o-BAMA for all the stupid things he does. You voted for a lost cause, give it up.
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water_watcher
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I'm impressed
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8/23/2009 7:56:29 PM
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Their just in denial that their Messiah is ruining this country.
It was founded on Christian principles and now new money does not say under God, even though it is in the constitution.
Most people worship some God, it never said which God you have to worship, just under God. Why is it that the very small percent of the population that does not worship a God wins on this issue.
Or is it that we are afraid of offending those that practice Islam in this country.
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JustAGuy
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Facts/Factual
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8/23/2009 8:16:11 PM
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WW: "... and now new money does not say under God, even though it is in the constitution."
Our currency/coins never said "under God", it said "In God We Trust" and it still does. What money has changed?
As for the constitution, the words "God", "Creator", and "Jesus" never appear in the Constitution or in any of the amendments. The word "Lord" appears in a signatory section, where the date is written "Seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord ..." see source/reference below.
WW: "Most people worship some God, it never said which God you have to worship, just under God. .... Or is it that we are afraid of offending those that practice Islam in this country.
You do realize that Muslims believe in God, don't you? They call him Allah ... but he is their version of God.
WW ... I'm getting tired of having to write out "once again, your "facts" aren't factual ... so in the future I will shorten it to Facts/Factual.
URL: "God" in the Constitution
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JustAGuy
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And By The Way
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8/23/2009 8:27:40 PM
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I am a Christian ... grew up in a Christian family ... I think people who get upset because a coach leads a prayer before a football game are fighting the wrong battles. I would never want a kid at any school to feel intimidated or oppressed because they practice a religion different from the majority ... but I think that happens extremely infrequently. There are bigger fish to fry.
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wix
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Like killing unborn babies
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8/23/2009 8:44:40 PM
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Welcome jag. Wondered where you were. Must have been at a town hall meeting.
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architect
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I'm impressed
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8/23/2009 8:55:57 PM
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WW and wix you don't know much about the Constitution or Islam. You may think you know a lot about Christianity but you sure don't know much about Christ. Do you have a WWJD stickers on your cars? It's amazing to me that so many who do would be among the last to actually follow in the footsteps the simple Jewish Carpenter.
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JustAGuy
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Like killing unborn babies
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8/23/2009 8:56:25 PM
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Wix ... I don't think abortion is a good thing ... but I do think we ought to take care of the children who are already born before we put all our efforts on the ones who aren't born yet.
I haven't made any town hall meetings ....
You seem like a very mean-spirited person. Perhaps I'm wrong.
Just my two cents ...
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architect
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I'm impressed
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8/23/2009 8:59:24 PM
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I've been discussing with Mr H whether any posters on this forum were haters. We were in agreement that none were. I'm beginning to rethink my conclusion.
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water_watcher
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Facts/Factual
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8/23/2009 9:29:03 PM
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check out new coins ... in God we trust is GONE!!!!!
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water_watcher
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Facts/Factual
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8/23/2009 9:32:05 PM
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You need to read BETTER! I said most people worship a God ... it may not all be the same. But Obama and his administration is caving to the voice of the minority that God should not be on currency, in the pledge, etc, etc
Read or I am going to have the death panel talk to you and archie ... it appears the time is getting close. :)
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Yankee06
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I'm impressed with flyovers
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8/23/2009 9:32:18 PM
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Hi all,
-As always, interesting comments. ...but as usual, for reasons I find difficult to understand, most posters always seem to fall in either in the left or right political spectrum of opinion.
-I'm not sure why this subject of flyovers should be apporoved by the right and disapproved by the left, you'd think that some people would be in the middle on this.
-Me? I was in the service for almost 30 years, and I loved flyovers, ---especially when they were flying over me and dropping ordinace on the enemy!!!
-Flyover's are a tradition for a lot of things, --but let's just talk about funerals. Funerals for many believers are primarily a faith event. Most believer's funerals have a priest, minister, rabbi, or I suppose Imam (although I've never been to a Moslem militray funeral) officiating at teh grave site. Most graves ae marked by some kind of religious symbol, even in government cemetaries.
-I would suppose under the rationale expressed by teh government on teh flyover in this clip that flyovers would no longer be allowed at military funerals.
-So a question for all posters above who are against flyovers for faith events, -should this rule against flyovers during faith-related events apply to flyovers for military funerals?
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water_watcher
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Like killing unborn babies
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8/23/2009 9:37:07 PM
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Anyone that does not agree with your twisted thinking is mean spirited.
When I got my new Alabama tags we had a choice ... I took the one that said God Bless America. We need it with Obama at the steering wheel. It gets worse by the day ... thank GOD the american people are waking up and his approval continues to fall.
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Talullahhound
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Change a word Hound
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8/23/2009 9:38:30 PM
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It wouldn't make a difference. You can be sure that they will resoundingly disagree with me.
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Talullahhound
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I agree with you, Just a Guy
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8/23/2009 9:46:58 PM
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Wix is mean-spirited. Why else would he take a thread about flyovers and change the title to "killing unborn babies". He's also been party to some comments that caused me to wonder about his real intent.
I don't have to make excuses for Obama. I think they should stop all flyovers that are not part of a national celebration. I don't want my tax dollars being wasted on junk like that. And I don't think it is a "recruiting" tool. There are plenty of other recruiting tools that are far more effective.
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JustAGuy
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Like killing unborn babies
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8/23/2009 9:49:45 PM
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WW ... I wasn't addressing you as being mean spirited ... I was talkin to Wix ...
I also chose the "God Bless America" tag this year.
I still don't know what you are talking about with the coins ... the closest I have found has to do with the Presidential dollars ... and all they have done is move "In God We Trust" from being on the coin's edge to actually being on the face or back of the coin ... and guess who signed this bill into law? George W. Bush on Dec. 26, 2008.
One of us has lost our minds ... please provide proof/source if you think it is me. My source is below
URL: Coin News
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Talullahhound
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I'm impressed
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8/23/2009 9:53:45 PM
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You know, experience has taught me to watch those who are the most boisterous about their Christianity, because they are usually the least Christian people in their actions. Just like those who are so anxious to show off their patriotism and regularly wrap themselves in the flag. It's cheap sentiment.
True Christians, like true patriots, don't have to say a word, because they live their beliefs and people know by their actions.
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JustAGuy
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Facts/Factual
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8/23/2009 9:54:41 PM
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Please post a source where the Obama administration has called for "God" to "not be on currency, in the pledge, etc"
I would take my chances with a government Death Panel over a roll call vote of the members of this forum ... I have a feeling I would not be long for this world. :)
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Talullahhound
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I'm impressed with flyovers
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8/23/2009 10:03:31 PM
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I like flyovers too. At one time, my office was about a mile from Arlington and those planes would roar down Army Navy Drive and right past my window headed to the cemetary - and right past my window that one aircraft would go up. It was heart-stopping. The might of the US Military is a magnificent thing.
You know, I think honoring those that have served is a wonderful thing. But, realistically, taking into account the cost per operating hour of these advanced aircraft, maybe there should be another way of honoring those who have died. I would sometimes see 2-3 of these per week.
Now, if organizations who request the fly overs want to pay for them, then I think the military should approve them all.
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JustAGuy
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I'm impressed with flyovers
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8/23/2009 10:09:25 PM
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Yankee ... I am not pro or anti flyovers.
I too have enjoyed them when I have seen them, but I've often wondered about the cost/benefit ... (like a flyover at an Auburn football game). If the policy is that flyovers are okay and unlimited unless the event has a religious tone ... then I am against that policy. If the policy is that times are tough and we have to cut back ... and as long as the cut-backs are across the board and not targeted .. then I am for the policy.
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JohnGalt
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I agree with you, Just a Guy
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8/23/2009 10:17:07 PM
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Could you give me examples of other recruitment tools that are far more effective.
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JustAGuy
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I agree Hound
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8/23/2009 10:18:22 PM
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When I was in elementary school ... there was a teacher who had this odd thing he did where he would roll his shoulder ... he did it so often that it became very noticable ... and all the kids in school would comment about it and goof on him ... it was more that 15 years later that I learned that this particular teacher was a gunner on a naval ship during WWII ... he had fired his guns so many times and for such long durations that he had lifetime problems with his shoulder .... as a student, I never even knew that this man was a veteran ... he never mentioned it ... when I think of patriots ... I think of this gentleman.
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JustAGuy
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I agree with you, Just a Guy
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8/23/2009 10:45:53 PM
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All of the flyovers that I have seen involved fighter jets ... now fighter jet pilots are a miniscule percentage of the members of our armed services ... most people being recruited are not going to be fighter pilots ... so, I would think having decorated infantry combat veterans recruiting would be a better tool than a flyover ... there are many times more "grunts" than there are fighter pilots.
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Yankee06
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change a word Hound
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8/24/2009 12:16:09 AM
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Hound and JAG,
-I always enjoy these threads cuz ya never know where they're gonna go. I really have a tough time seeing how our discussion of flyovers changed to a discussion of who are ral Christians and patriots or that real Christians and Patriots don't talk, they just act.
-I think that's what was said in your post above --true Christians like true patriots don't have to say a word,, they are known by their actions. Well, that's a little off don't you think? It may aplly in some cases, but surelly not in all, or perhaps even in most
-Now let's take Christ for example. I guess we can call him a true Christian. He of course committed the greatest Christian act, --Christians believe he gave his life for their salvation. However, he was quite a talker, a preacher. He spent years walking the countrysidde talking to people. In fact the greatest course on Christianity was the "words" spoken by him during the sermon on the mount. So I guess the conclusion would be that you can tell a Christian by both "word" and "act".
-Now patriots. Geeez, pick an example of "words" that inspired people to "act" for their independence. How about Jeffereson and teh Declaration, or Paine and Common Sense, or Patrick Henry and.... Well, you get the idea. So I guess the conclusion this time would be that you can tell a patriot by both "word" and act.
-Just some thoughts for your consideration.
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JustAGuy
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change a word Hound
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8/24/2009 12:26:12 AM
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Yankee .. by my post above .. I didn't mean to infer that the only patriots are those who "suffer in silence". Colin Powell is a patriot and is very outspoken and upfront, as are Norman Swarzkopf (sp?) amd others.. my example of the teacher who served anonymously was just that .. an example ... Billy Graham was a great Christian .. as are those whose names are never spoken on the news ... Audie Murphy was a war hero ... and so are many others whose names most of us would never recognize.
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Talullahhound
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I agree with you, Just a Guy
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8/24/2009 7:24:00 AM
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For one, the dollars for education program.
Another is sending recruiters to schools to speak about a career in the military.
Another is advertising on the internet.
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Talullahhound
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Okay, I'll bite - Yankee
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8/24/2009 7:37:33 AM
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I'm not an expert on Jesus Christ, but I don't think he beat his chest and said "follow me because I am right". It seems to me that he won his followers by speaking his truths -- yes, but he also "walked the talk". He performed the miracles. And he made the ultimate sacrifice. As far as I know, he didn't insist that "in God we trust" be engraved on the currency of the day.
And the Founding Fathers? As near as I can tell, they holed up in Philadelphia and wrote and debated. We didn't have a flag yet for them to wrap themselves in. I don't think they wrapped themselves in cheap sentiment.
I see what you are trying to say, and since I didn't personally know any of these gentlemen, it's hard to say. I can only go by my experience in "modern" times.
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Yankee06
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Okay, I'll bite - Yankee
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8/24/2009 4:26:06 PM
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Hound,
- I like most of your posts; but sometimes I'm confused.
-Like I'm a little confused by your line of reasoning above; you said something like ---'I didn't know these men', ....and then how you ended teh post, ---"I can only go by my experience in "modern" times. "
-Did you really mean that? You usualy sound like a well educated person who stayss fairly well informed. But if people only went by their own experiences ...or only learned from their own experiences, we'd make very little progress, either as a person, as a people, or as a nation.
-to paraphrasae another great mind, we make progress on the shoulders of giants, ---in this case the fopunding fathers. Our education is suppose to make us cognizant not only of what they did, but how they did it, and more importantly why they did it. ...we get to know them through education, formal and informal.
-to not learn from our history, or from our culture, or from others' successes and failures, but only from our own experiences, is to miss out on alot.
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MrHodja
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I'm impressed with flyovers
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8/24/2009 9:56:03 PM
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I had much rather my tax dollars be spent flying over the funerals of those who have served our nation that be Given to the National Endowment for the Arts so artists who have probably given nothing to their country can display pornographic "art".
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Talullahhound
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Okay, I'll bite - Yankee
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8/24/2009 10:02:05 PM
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But, we can't "know" why they did something. We can understand the times, we can speculate about the personal dynamics based on reading diaries and letters.
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