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water_watcher
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Teddy Kennedy
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8/30/2009 11:45:34 AM
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Last Of The Kennedy Dynasty
As soon as his cancer was detected, I noticed the immediate attempt at the "canonization" of old Teddy Kennedy by the mainstream media. They are saying what a "great American" he is. I say, let's get a couple things clear & not twist the facts to change the real history.
1. He was caught cheating at Harvard when he attended it. He was expelled twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him.
2. While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for four years instead of two. Oops! The man can't count to four! His father, Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England (a step up from bootlegging liquor into the US from Canada during prohibition), pulled the necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea , where a war was raging. No preferential treatment for him! (like he charged that President Bush received).
3. Kennedy was assigned to Paris , never advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged. Imagine a person of his "education" NEVER advancing past the rank of Private!
4. While attending law school at the University of Virginia , he was cited for reckless driving four times, including once when he was clocked driving 90 miles per hour in a residential neighborhood with his headlights off after dark. Yet his Virginia driver's license was never revoked.
5. In 1964, he was seriously injured in a plane crash, and hospitalized for several months. Test results done by the hospital at the time he was admitted had shown he was legally intoxicated. The results of those tests remained a "state secret" until in the 1980's when the report was unsealed. Didn't hear about that from the unbiased media, did we?
6. On July 19, 1969, Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts .. At about 11:00 PM, he borrowed his chauffeur's keys to his Oldsmobile limousine, and offered to give a ride home to Mary Jo Kopechne, a campaign worker. Leaving the island via an unlit bridge with no guard rail, Kennedy steered the car off the bridge, flipped, and into Poucha Pond.
7. He swam to shore and walked back to the party, passing several houses and a fire station. Two friends then returned with him to the scene of the accident. According to their later testimony, they told him what he already knew - that he was required by law to immediately report the accident to the authorities. Instead Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his lawyer, and went to sleep. Kennedy called the police the next morning and by then the wreck had already been discovered. Before dying, Kopechne had scratched at the upholstered floor above her head in the upside-down car...
The Kennedy family began "calling in favors", ensuring that any inquiry would be contained. Her corpse was whisked out-of-state to her family, before an autopsy could be conducted. Further details are uncertain, but after the accident Kennedy says he repeatedly dove under the water trying to rescue Kopechne and he didn't call police because he was in a state of shock. It is widely assumed Kennedy was drunk, and he held off calling police in hopes that his family could fix the problem overnight... Since the accident, Kennedy's "political enemies" have referred to him as the distinguished Senator from Chappaquiddick. He pled guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, and was given a SUSPENDED SENTENCE OF TWO MONTHS. Kopechne's family received a small payout from the Kennedy's insurance policy, and never sued. There was later an effort to have her body exhumed and autopsied, but her family successfully fought against this in court, and Kennedy's family paid their attorney's bills... a "token of friendship"?
8. Kennedy has held his Senate seat for more than forty years, but considering his longevity, his accomplishments seem scant. He authored or argued for legislation that ensured a variety of civil rights, increased the minimum wage in 1981, made access to health care easier for the indigent, and funded Meals on Wheels for fixed-income seniors and is widely held as the "standard-bearer for liberalism". In his very first Senate roll, he was the floor manager for the bill that turned U.S. immigration policy upside down and opened the floodgate for immigrants from third world countries.
9. Since that time, he has been the prime instigator and author of every expansion of an increase in immigration, up to and including the latest attempt to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. Not to mention the pious grilling he gave the last two Supreme Court nominees, as if he was the standard bearer for the nation in matters of "what's right". What a pompous a $ $!
10. He is known around Washington as a public drunk, loud, boisterous and very disrespectful to ladies. JERK is a better description than "great American". "A blonde in every pond" is his motto.
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GoneFishin
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MAY HE REST IN PEACE
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8/30/2009 12:46:26 PM
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water_watcher
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MAY HE REST IN PEACE
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8/30/2009 1:13:02 PM
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Or that he finally pays for his sins that he was able to use his family name and power to avoid. I feel the same about OJ. There is NO FORGIVENESS for his action and the needless death of another human being.
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Talullahhound
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Judge not that you might be
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8/30/2009 1:36:22 PM
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Judged.
If you had watched the memorial service yesterday, you would have seen a large number of REPUBLICANS there, including your idolized GWB and John McCain.
Yes, as a human being he was flawed. And you may not agree with his politics, but at least he showed up and stood for something. I've never heard a scandal about him taking bribes, and he was generally well regarded by his colleagues. He was obviously well loved by his family, and by his friends. He was a man of faith.
And his second wife is generally credited with turning his life around as far as his drinking.
I guess you can't imagine the pressure that his family put on him to excel, in the wake of 3 legendary brothers. I'm not a Kennedy idolizer. A lot of people are wild in their younger years, yet go on to do good in their adulthood.
I hardly think you can compare him to OJ Simpson, who did nothing in his life but play football and kill the mother of his children. And he has continued to prove he is nothing more than a thug.
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Yankee06
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Ted Kennedy
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8/30/2009 1:40:31 PM
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-How should we remember this important political figure?
- By all accounts he was a flawed man, --but then so were many of our past political leaders. I would guess, based on the posts above, somewhere there is a tipping point for those outside the democratic party where his "badness" overcomes his "goodness," so he should not be remembered aas an honorable man --for many that occued in 1969.
-As bacckground, I was a big Jack Kennedy fan, an interested Bobby Kennedy supporter, ..but never liked Teddy. At one time I was a strong Democrat, even working for Democratic Senator Pell from Rhode Island. In that capacity I heard a lot about teh Kennedys, met some of them, but never met any of the three brothers. I only say all this to show that I don't come after Kennedy from an anti-democrat position.
-I dislked Kennedy on three pooints: 1) his actions in the Chapaquidick trajedy, 2) his long history as a drunk and a lech, and 3) his "traitorous' actions in 1983. ---huh? what "traitorous' activities you may ask? ..you haven't heard about that on TV? ..are you surprised?
-In 83, I worked as a Soviet analyst on the Joint Chiefs of Staff in DC. At that time President Reagan was in tough negotiations with the Kremlin , and its new leader, former KGB Chief, Andropove. Reagan was in tough negotiiations to get missles in europe among other things. Soooooooo, how did Teddy play in this drama? Teddy, and I'm not making this up, sent a secret letter, by personal envoy, to Andropov offering to help Andropov develop a strategy to defeat Reagan. He offered to meet Andropov in Moscow to discuss the particulars. Further, he offered to arrange a tour for Andropov in the United States and Europe during which he could effectively pitch those groups and peoples necessary to defeat Reagan's plans. For me what Kennedy did will always remain an act of treason.
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Talullahhound
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Ted Kennedy
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8/30/2009 1:53:26 PM
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Interesting. And treasonous. I'm sure what you have divulged is classified, probably for good reason. Surprising that subsequent Republican Administrations didn't use it against him. I think that would be shocking to a lot of Americans.
Of course, he is not the only Congress person to work against an Admnistration plan. And the whole of Congress is well known as a sieve for classified and sensitive information leaks.
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Astro
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Judge not that you might be
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8/30/2009 2:18:11 PM
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It is easy to judge someone based on ones individual beliefs. That works both ways in judging ones character. You can judge them bad or you can judge them good. In either case you are judging and would not the statement you made apply to both? I believe that holding any individual up as an idol can be very dangerous. You can see this anytime a well recognized person meets with death or other bad situations. I think he has probably accomplished some good but he has also had moments that he could not be proud of. But to hear all of the media and others heap such praise on anyone is a little sickening. The reaction of people to tragic events is very interesting. If a plane full of people crash it is a very news worthy event. That would be the case even if thousands had died on the same day on our highways. The results are the same many people have died. In both cases it is sad events but just worth noting how different they are treated.
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rude evin
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Judge not that you might be
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8/30/2009 2:43:09 PM
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Lordy, lordy hound.............did you just 'judge' kennedy as being 'treasonous'?? :-}
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water_watcher
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Ted Kennedy
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8/30/2009 3:04:39 PM
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I used to be a die hard democrat as well. The party left me, i did not leave the party. Democrats, including Jack Kennedy, used to believe in lower taxes, and smaller government. Somehow, starting with Lyndon Johnson, started to moving to this socialist view and it has only gotten stronger and more apparent. They used to deny the shift, now they seem to embrace it which make it so scary.
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water_watcher
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Of course
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8/30/2009 3:08:16 PM
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there were republicans paying respect.
But do you feel the same about OJ Simpson? What about the guy that kidnapped the 11 year old girl and held her hostage for 18 years, raped her and had his baby while he kept her in a tent in the backyard.
Should we not judge either of them for their actions ... or does it just apply to a liberal idol?
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Yankee06
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Ted Kennedy --one ponit
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8/30/2009 3:15:48 PM
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Hound and others,
-Just need to clear up a point from our above posts. The information on what I consider Kennedy's treason is now in the open press. I first saw it there in a book on Reagan several years ago, I think it was called The Cusader ...or something like that. I think that the author found evidence of Kennedy's act in the Russian archives after they were open to the public in the 1990's. I could never understand why Kennedy never suffered much grief about this.
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architect
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Ted Kennedy --another point
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8/30/2009 3:39:38 PM
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Well we agree we have never heard of this "treason" until Yankee enlightened us. Of course we never heard of it from Barbara Boxer, but we also never heard of it from Jesse Helms. I suspect it is because there is little or less evidence it is true.
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water_watcher
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Ted Kennedy --another point
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8/30/2009 4:05:18 PM
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"S" and "i"
You fit the model so well. :)
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Yankee06
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Ted Kennedy --Archy
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8/30/2009 4:46:52 PM
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Archy,
-in your above post, you came close to calling me a liar. I'll choose not to take offense because of teh source. But you must try to become more objective in your thinking..if that is difficult, then a little research would be inorder, if that is too hard then let me "enlighten" you to the "truth"
-the following could have been found easily on google.....
Ted Kennedy's Soviet Gambit - Forbes - 26 related articles »SEN Kennedy's letter to Soviet Premier Yuri Andropov - Canada Free Press
Kennedy, Reagan . . . and Andropov - Peter Robinson - The Corner ...28 Aug 2009 ... Arguing that Reagan, not Andropov, threatened world peace, Kennedy offered to help Anropov contain Reagan by manipulating American opinion. ...
corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q... - Cached - Similar
Ted Kennedy's Soviet Gambit - Forbes.comKennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader ... Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers. ...
www.forbes.com/.../ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html - Cached - Similar
The Jawa Report: Media Bias In The Kennedy-Andropov AffairMedia Bias In The Kennedy-Andropov Affair. Interesting interview with Bestselling author Paul Kengor at Frontpage Magazine. ...
mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/192746.php - Cached - Similar
SEN Kennedy's letter to Soviet Premier Yuri Andropov28 Aug 2009 ... SEN Kennedy's letter to Soviet Premier Yuri Andropov, Ted Kennedy and his Liberal Brethren were engaged in the larger, anti-American, ...
www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/14176 - Cached - Similar
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architect
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Never fails
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8/30/2009 4:48:09 PM
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I answer a question from a poster and WW or one of his pals jumps on my case. I don't answer a question from a poster and WW or one of his pals jumps on my case. I pose a question of my own and WW or one of his pals jumps on my case. Why don't you try to surprise me sometime? Say something intellegent.
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architect
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Get serious
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8/30/2009 4:58:36 PM
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I didn't come close to calling you a liar. I said I doubt the credibility of the info you passed on because if it had been provable as correct info it is impossible to imagine that somebody like Jesse Helms or Mr. Limbaugh or Fox news wouldn't have made political hay with it. If credible intellegence about a prominent Republican having secret contact with say a right wing terrorist group were discovered do you think Barbara Boxer or other extreme left political figures wouldn't make sure it became common knowledge?
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water_watcher
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Never fails
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8/30/2009 5:17:01 PM
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that is because you demonstrate over and over every part of liberal S.I.N.
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Talullahhound
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Judge not that you might be
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8/30/2009 5:29:48 PM
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NO. I believe I said that if he did what Yankee says he did, then it would be a treasonous act. But, since I don't know the facts or the whole story, I didn't judge him to be treasonous.
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MartiniMan
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True story
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8/30/2009 6:20:25 PM
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This information was obtained from the KGB files when the Soviet Union collapsed. The reason you haven't heard about it is because you get your news from the government media. This is not a new story.
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Talullahhound
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One Thing is Certain
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8/30/2009 9:01:17 PM
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Ted Kennedy is dead. Whatever he did or did not do, whatever sins he committed - it no longer matters. He's buried in Arlington a few feet from both of his brothers. History will judge, no doubt.
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lamont
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You're Right Hound....
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8/31/2009 10:40:12 AM
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Now that he is dead, his sins no longer matter. Unfortunately, his misdeeds didn't matter when he was alive either. Continued re-elections and media idolizing of this character for 40 years completely baffles me. I watched the Kennedy documentary, in his own words, last night with my wife. I honestly tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but, went to bed nauseated. To hear him trivialize his discrepancies was interesting. No doubt, a great Orator but, somewhat disigenuous. Oh well, good thing I'm not his final judge. Even my wife said, I sure hope he went North. Thought that was kinda funny.
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