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Council Roc Doc
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In the fine print
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9/4/2009 8:53:16 AM
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of the House Healthcare Bill is the fact that the primary federal bureaucracy tasked for implementing and enforcing nationalized healthcare will be the..........IRS!!
- The IRS will determine who has acceptable insurance
- The IRS will be responsible for setting the punishment of those
who don't
- The IRS will subsidize individual health insurance costs thru tax
credits
- Tax records will thusly be made available to a government
appointed Health Choice Commissioner to be analyzed for various
asundry purposes.
This is not right wing propoganda folks. Reported by Byron York of the Washington Examiner.
I wonder if Obozo will mention the expanded IRS role to his national audience next week? Doubt it.
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Yankee06
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In the fine print
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9/4/2009 11:42:21 AM
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Doc,
-Yse, I agree that the IRS has a significant play in the proposed health care program.
-However, I've read teh proposed HR3200 twice (yes, I must have a sad life), and I have a slightly differennt take on the IRS role.
-From my reading, I do not think the fine print says the IRS will run the program. It's actually worse than that. My readiing indicates that the IRS will be working for the National Heath Care Commission, set up by the bill, providing this commisssion with all the information it requests and making the collections that the commission orders.
-Why is this situation worse than the IRS running the program? Well, the IRS at least has a bureaucray in place and some experience in running a national program. Ok, it's not efficient but it does get teh collectin job done. If the IRS was running the healthcare program, it would be about collecting money and ballancing books.
-However, this new commission will run the health care program for political ends. In that case, political agenda will be teh first goal, and cost cutting to serve political agendas will be the second goal, --a much worse situation.
-It appears that some compromise will be reached on health care in the coming weeks. Good. But, I hope it starts with a complete scrapping of HR3200. If we leave some of that commission langauge in there, the long term effect will be very bad for health care.
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Council Roc Doc
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In the fine print
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9/4/2009 1:05:08 PM
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The IRS will collect info from those providing health coverage, names, addresses, children, TIN's and "any other information that the Secretary deems necessary" correlate that info with the tax returns to see who does and does not have coverage. If found guilty of no coverage or not the coverage that the gov't says you should have, you will pay a tax as described in the House 3200 bill or in the Senate version, you gotta love this, a "shared responsibility payment"!!!
Amazing that those who had a problem with the previous administrations so called wiretapping and the Patriot Act are more than willing to have the IRS have access to their private health information. Stooges.
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GoneFishin
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In the fine print
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9/4/2009 6:58:36 PM
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In 2003, President Bush signed the Medicare Modernization Act which among other things changed the subsidy that the government provides for medicare B participants. Previously, the individual paid 25% of the premium.
Section 811 of the Act also modified the Internal Revenue Code to authorize the Internal Revenue to disclose information to SSA regarding a person's Modified Adjusted Gross Income in order to determine the appropriate premium.
For 2009, here is the schedule:
Married Couple
Premium Income
$96.40 $170,000 or less
$134.90 $170,001-$214,000
$192.70 $214,001-$320,000
$250.50 $320,001-$426,000
$308.30 Above $426,000
Does it bother you that the IRS now furnishes your income to the SSA at age 65????
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| Name: |
au67
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In the fine print
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9/4/2009 7:40:07 PM
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Yes.
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GoneFishin
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In the fine print
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9/4/2009 7:44:42 PM
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Nice that we agree on something.
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Yankee06
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In the fine print
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9/4/2009 7:52:21 PM
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GF,
-You ask " Does it bother you that the IRS now furnishes your income to the SSA at age 65???? "
-my answer has always been "yes."
-I believe the only time someone outside of teh IRS should see my returns is 1) when I authorize it, or 2) if a government agency is going to give me something that i say I can't afford, then I beleive the govt agency has the right to detemine if in fact I can't afford it.
-I'm not a big fan of graduated pay plans; even one like your example above where someone who makes $100,000 or even millions more than someone else only pays an extra $40 per month.
-The concept sucks, I'm just not a fan of socialism.
If I make $50,000/yr and go into a restaurant and order a steak and pay $20 for it, I don't like the idea that the guy next to me who makes $40,000/yr pays $15 for his steak. Apply that logic to buying cars, houses, clothes, and suddenly there is no difference between a $40,000 salary and a $50,000 salary. The only difference probably is in the reponsibility, knowledge, experience, etc. required to do the jobs.
-Don't get me wrong about heath care reform. I believe that in a country as rich as we are (use to be?) every citizen should be able to get health care. I just believe we can do it through market dynamics within workable confines of limited government regulations ---that's not HR3200.
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au67
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In the fine print
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9/4/2009 8:01:10 PM
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Yank, you're on a roll tonight...another very good post...not that your other posts are bad, these last two have really 'cut to the chase.'
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MartiniMan
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Yes!
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9/4/2009 9:52:47 PM
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It bothers me a lot and it was wrong then and wrong now. I totally opposed the entire Medicare program changes that Bush pushed, especially the prescription drug program. Unfortunately we had to choose between compassionate conservatism of Bush and the looney liberal statism of Gore/Kerry/Obama.
Talk about the lesser of two evils.....2012 will not come soon enough and lets hope and pray the media doesn't pick our candidate this time so we don't end up with another McCain.
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