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GoneFishin
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Right Supports Single Payer
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9/8/2009 12:23:16 PM
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The Republicans are running an ad that supports Medicare which is a government run single payer health plan. The new stance contradicts the party's long history of skepticism toward government-run programs and Republican concerns about the long-term viability and health of the Medicare system.
The Republican National Committee recently launched a new campaign, "The Seniors' Bill of Rights," that pledged to prevent cuts to Medicare and protect the elderly from health care rationing based on age.
"Let's agree in both parties that Congress should only consider health reform proposals that protect senior citizens," the GOP chairman, Michael Steele, said in a television ad released in conjunction with the campaign.
Interesting change since Newt in 1995 proposed cutting Medicare spending by
$270 billion over 7 years.
The party of Reagan sure has changed from the Far Right to Left of Center.
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MartiniMan
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Politics and Political Suicide
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9/8/2009 12:40:27 PM
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GF: Thanks for posting this as it is very instructive about why we need to vehemently oppose all entitlement programs. The campaign is pure politics and is intended to whittle away some of the senior vote and sadly it will probably work.
What a funny turn of events. The Democrats in control of the White House and Congress propose to partially pay for Obamacare by cutting $500 billion out of Medicare. So we take funds away from those who use the system most often and to the greatest degree (our senior citizens) and give it to the 15 million chronically uninsured (who are obviously not senior citizens or they would already have Medicare).
Republicans who normally eschew government programs like this appear to be supporting it because they can use the entitlement mentality to garner support. Turn about is fair play in this case and Democrats who perfected the art of scaring seniors to vote for them only have themselves to blame for creating this opening.
But don't confuse the "Right" with conservatives. Conservatives oppose all these entitlement programs and this is just one of many reasons I never financially support national political organizations like the RNC. I give my money to candidates that support my conservative views.
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architect
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Medicare
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9/8/2009 8:10:27 PM
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Yes we all pay into Medicare to guarantee insurance coverage in old age. And, yes Medicare does not pay for all costs. That is why the private insurers are happy to offer supplemental coverage for an added premium which pays the difference. It maybe of interest that this is basically how the much maligned Canadian system works for all the population. Now, if it weren't for long years of payments into Medicare what chance do you think a 78 year old retired man living on a small pension and SS would have of getting medical insurance coverage he could afford on the private insurance market today? Now, ask yourself do we not need for the good of the nation to provide some ability for the $11 per hour 30 year old with diabetes or leukemia or congenital heart disease to be covered? That is at least in part what this hullabaloo is all about.
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alahusker
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As I recall, medicare is
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9/8/2009 8:38:37 PM
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another failing/failed government program wrought with fraud and waste, facing huge deficits as far as one can see.. Destined to be trillions of dollars in the red by 2019?? Do I have this wrong?? Please tell me I'm wrong, because I'm currently using it at the expense of my grandkids.. shame on me... Not to fear folks, let's push through a full government take over of national health care (before the August recess was the goal, but certainly by the end of the year).. Our trusted elected people in Washington will surely get this one right.. I'm really feeling good about this one.. After the welfare, postal service and social security, these brilliant people have thought through how to socialize this major portion of our economy and lives..
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Tall Cotton
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As I recall, medicare is
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9/8/2009 9:21:14 PM
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On this, and any other issue the Congress takes up, thE question should beasked "Where does the Constitution authorize this action?". If the answer is not clear, then they have no business spending my money on it.
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MartiniMan
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You are right
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9/9/2009 8:38:33 AM
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The unfunded deficit in Medicare was estimated by the GAO to be ~$28 trillion. See below from the pmsNBC website during the Bush administration:
"A looming Medicare shortage is seven times the size of the one that Social Security faces and nearly four times the entire federal debt. It is not being addressed by President Bush and Congress, and, to some, that is just as well.
Social Security, which Bush has hoisted atop his domestic agenda, is $3.7 trillion short of what it will need for benefits over the next 75 years, under the latest federal projections. Medicare, the health care program for the elderly, must find an estimated $27.8 trillion."
But in response to that we need to turn over the rest of health care to the government. It boggles my mind that liberals can even believe this is a good thing but that is emotion overwhelming all sense of intellect. They keep talking about the rising cost of health care without mentioning that government programs are a big contributor to the rising costs as 110 million Americans already get their health insurance partially or completely through the government. And it is quickly headed to insolvency.
Imagine if I told you to invest in my company and over the next 75 years I planned to have costs that exceeded my revenue by $28 trillion. You would think I was nuts but that is exactly what Obamacare is asking. It is no wonder the more people learn about this the more they oppose it.
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