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Carnac
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U. S. Supreme Court next?
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9/25/2009 5:14:27 PM
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The Alabama Supreme Court has handed down its decision rejecting the appeal filed by the plaintiffs in the 3 Lakes Law (Big Boat Law). That puts Alabama Department of Conservation & Natural Resources Commissioner, Barnett Lawley, and the Alabama Marine Police between a rock and a very hard place as they now must enforce the law.
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Kizma Anuice
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U. S. Supreme Court next?
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9/25/2009 7:03:51 PM
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What makes you think that every law on the books has to be enforced. I suspect, like most laws it will be selectively enforced.
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CAT BOAT
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U. S. Supreme Court next?
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9/25/2009 8:28:36 PM
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CAT still gonna fight.
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CAT BOAT
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PS....
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9/25/2009 8:43:03 PM
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You gotta stand for something, or you fall for anything. Guess I gotta get a new service boat, or re-power what I have. Support is appreciated. Economy says "no new boat" CAT. I gotta digest all of this. It has been a long 3+ years. Lakemartin.com is the best thing that has ever happended to us. Yall are the best. CAT is tired. Alabama Power is Power. I'll post thought later.
Steve
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Chin up Steve,
Plenty of places for the CAT BOAT to purrrrrrrrrrrrrr local.
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| Name: |
Carnac
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U. S. Supreme Court next?
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9/26/2009 12:13:24 AM
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Certainly, Mr. Anuice, I expect that a marine police person or two will be lax in enforcing the law, just as some officers choose not to ticket everybody who breaks the laws of the road.
At some point, and I think that it should be now, the unsucessful plaintiffs and their many syncophants who visit this forum have to man-up and say "I fought the good fight and lost. Now I must find a place to play with my go-fast somewhere where it is legal to do so".
Every marine police officer should realize that many of the boaters and property owners who supported the law, as bad as it is, will be on the lake with their cell phone cameras, video recorders, and still cameras to capture a photo or some footage of an officer who chooses to be derelict in his or her duty.
That might bring us exactly what we dont need, another lawsuit.
Let's move on.
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Bob
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U. S. Supreme Court next?
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9/26/2009 9:38:00 AM
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Carnac,
I could NOT agree more! The vast majority of the folks on the lake will agree as well. I do not remeber a time on the Lake this year when I met a SINGLE person who was not in support of this law...the opposition has lost but don't count on them to sut up...they will remain the most vocal...who cares...get your cameras ready...
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au67
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AP story
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9/26/2009 10:05:48 AM
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Alabama high court upholds large boat ban at 3 lakes
By The Associated Press
September 25, 2009, 4:25PM
MONTGOMERY, Ala. -- The Alabama Supreme Court has upheld a law that bans houseboats, cigarette boats and some other large boats from three lakes in east Alabama.
The court ruled Friday that the law passed by the Alabama Legislature in 2006 is not vague and provided sufficient notice to the public concerning what types of boats are allowed on Lake Harris, Lake Martin and Weiss Lake. The three lakes were developed by Alabama Power Co., which supported the law.
The law was challenged in a lawsuit by a group of boat owners who said the act was arbitrary and created classes of boat owners in violation of the U.S. Constitution.
The Alabama law was copied after similar restrictions Georgia has put on some of its lakes.
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Summer Lover
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U. S. Supreme Court next?
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9/26/2009 12:29:26 PM
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I would suggest a good laxative Bob, maybe that would help get your head where you can see again. I have not heard a single person who thought this bill was anything other than a payback to the Georgia developers once we discussed it. I hope they come after your toys next - it would serve you right.
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Bob
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AP story
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9/26/2009 2:15:42 PM
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My toys are appropriate for an inland lake Mr. Summer. Too bad yours are NOT and they are against the law. I will take that laxative and then I will let go on all of your toys...pack em up...move em out you lose...loser. LOL
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au67
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??????
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9/26/2009 2:35:47 PM
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To whom are you replying?
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Summer Lover
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AP story
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9/26/2009 3:33:32 PM
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No you idiot - we ALL lose, but I guess you are the kind of person who hid behind your mommie until you were 25, and now will hide behind whatever Government entity you can find. My toys were NOT banned, so you WILL have to put up with me. I just don't see why you want the morons in Montgomery and D.C. putting limits on OUR freedoms by banning items that have no more impact on this lake than anything else.
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Feb
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U. S. Supreme Court next?
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9/26/2009 3:49:24 PM
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I do not have a dawg in this fight.
My opinion is the U.S. Supreme Court will never entertain an appeal to this case.
In the real world, it is a very small issue. I am not trying to belittle the point or slight those who find it important to them in their lives. I feel for them.
If the Nation's Supreme Court took up this issue, then I would think they (the Court) were avoiding cases much more important to the Nation's interest than boats on Lake Martin.
Just my Honest Opinion.
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realfast64
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U. S. Supreme Court next?
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9/26/2009 4:01:38 PM
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i bet bob does not have any toys. I wonder if he has heard of the electric boats required on some florida lakes and some northern lakes.
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realfast64
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U. S. Supreme Court next?
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9/26/2009 4:07:24 PM
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I think it is a pathetic law and is one reason i am so tired of this lake and ready to sell out! I have seen to much change in the last 7 years,actually to much for me arrogant water patrol. arrogant property owners. Tax increases misspending of local goverments. changing of the law and special permits for some. It AIN'T fun no more!!
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wix
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Good By.
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9/26/2009 4:14:49 PM
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Bob
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9/26/2009 4:49:11 PM
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I am absolutely loving that so many of you are upset over this ruling. Too bad so sad...you LOSE...SCOREBOARD baby...now please get your ILLEGAL vessels off of my lake! I have joy in my heart today as I watch football thinking of the relative tranquility to come without the BIG LOUD FAST boats on my Lake. Thanks YOU Alabama Legislature...Job well done! And I don't care if they paid off Georgia Developers or not...I would have contributed myself. Enjoy your little forum majority and comiserate with each other until you feel better...but...get those boats off my Lake...
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Mack
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Wow. Priorities are>>
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9/26/2009 7:16:27 PM
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screwed up.
The effort/time/expense required to get this thru the Alabama Legislature (really impressive group) and onward thru the Al Supreme Court (ditto) accomplished what????
Yep, got about 1% of boats banned. Why??
Looks like it. Smells like it. So, that's what it is.
Don't know who. Don't know why. But, I usually step off the trail to deal with it. Not here.
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muddauber
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U. S. Supreme Court next?
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9/26/2009 7:26:09 PM
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What the case is about has no bearing on appeals. The only thing an appeal does is ensure the law is properly being applied.
I agree, this is not too likely to wind up there. Not unless there are some really deep pockets involved.
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realfast64
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Good By.
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9/27/2009 9:20:32 AM
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Call it what you want. It is clear that you don't keep up with other lakes across the U.S. Numerous lakes have a speed limits of 35mph during the day and idle only at night. Fifteen to twenty five dollar launch fees.What iritates me is that we let this happen on a lake that covers 44,000 acers and over 700 miles of shore line. Have you ever been on logan martin lake on the coosa river,smaller and more congested than our lake this law would be more suited there than here. What really gets me about this law is nothing is mentioned of the real problem on this lake and others across this great country of ours JET SKIS! If you think legislation is not on the way about these nussiances you are a ---- but i won't go there. You all that are in favor of this boat ban start looking for your new quite,enviromently friendly,Slow,(remember the lightning storms) battery powered pontoon.Say it won't happen then research what i just wrote.
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| Name: |
wix
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Good Bye
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9/27/2009 9:42:50 AM
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From your alias, I assume you're a fast boat owner or maybe a fan. If so, I understand your position, but you need to go over to Lake Lanier and spend a weekend on the water to get a feel for why this law was necessary. Lanier has been ruined by the big boat, houseboat, and fast boat folks. Only a few big boats on the lake are necessary to disrupt an otherwise peaceful weekend. The supporters of this law far outnumber those who don't like it.
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CAT BOAT
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Wow. Priorities are>>
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9/27/2009 9:55:41 AM
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I think there are a total of six boats banned. (That is all I know of and base that on my own knowledge) Others were either in inventory and still for sale for use on the lake, or grandfathered in. I personally don't think you will see any change other than MAJOR development as the economy turns. I mean really, think about it.... A 30.6' boat is BIG! And that is the cut off point. By state measurements, most 33' boats pass length test.
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crappyattitude
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Maybe I am just stupid....
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9/27/2009 9:57:34 AM
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but I don't understand why all of these folks have a problem with "big boats". I am usually on a lake that is 14200 acres... far smaller than Martin. We have "fast" boats, houseboats, "big" boats, ski boats, jet boats, bass boats, sail boats, jon boats, jet skis, canoes, kayaks..... you get the picture... and there really isn't any problems.... other than envy or "two foot-itis".
If it is the noise... jet boats are far louder. If it is the waves... we are all guilty of that. If it is that you don't want your property values lowered because someone can just stay on a houseboat... sorry... but your house is a shelter... not an "investment".... if it is... your are there for the wrong reasons anyway.
ALL OF THIS IS JUST MY OPIION... IF YOU DON"T LIKE IT... SO WHAT!
Crappy :)
(just outside of Nashville)
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I forgot... Just to dispell any involvement.... I own a Ebbtide 190 Catalina XL SS... that's 19 feet... so definitely not a "big boat". Also...it is a thru prop exhaust... no loud exhaust.
Crappy : )
(just outside of Nashville)
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realfast64
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Good Bye
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9/27/2009 3:56:58 PM
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That i swhy i pay taxes in alabama i liked lake martin for what it was not what is turning to. My point is why cant we accept the things the way they are and we don't like them we move on not make others move on? I remind you we had boat races here long before Lanier was even thought of! I am a life long resident of the lake and this area and the way i see it the transplants are the real trouble makers. I was also a fan of the old house boats at the river bridge.those people are the ones that made this area what it is or should i say what it was. By the way my grandfather brought his pair of mules here when they built this lake to snake logs to pile up and chain/tie down before the lake was filled. I do have a connection to this lake!
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wix
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Good Bye
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9/27/2009 8:37:36 PM
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If you want it the way it "was", why do you want big wakes, loud noises, etc. That's not the way the lake "was". We've been here since the seventies and none of that was here. The back waters is long gone. If you want things to stay closer to the way they were years ago, you should embrace the new law as an effort to save that way of life.
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bassplayer60
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Good Bye
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9/27/2009 8:58:11 PM
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bassplayer60
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DANGIT, wrong button
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9/27/2009 8:59:36 PM
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Sorry bout that
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| Name: |
Summer Lover
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Maybe I am just stupid....
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9/27/2009 10:33:17 PM
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You pegged it Crappy, there is no valid reason to have this ban, the legislature was bought out. I guess I will go over to Bob's place, trim out the drive on the 18' boat, turn the rock up and just cruise at 12 mph around 20' off his pier.
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