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FLgirl
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health care
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10/9/2009 10:39:10 AM
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I'm not sure this is the appropriate place to post this but I believe a lot of the readers would be interested.
HR 615
On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a two-page amendment, courtesy of Republican Tom Coburn which would require all Members of Congress and their staff members to enroll in any new government-run health plan.
Congressman John Fleming has proposed an amendment that would require Congressmen and Senators to take the same health care plan that they would force on us. (Under proposed legislation they are exempt.)
Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go to his Website and sign his petition. The process is very simple. I have done just that at:
http://fleming.house.gov/index.html
Senator Coburn and Congressman Fleming are both physicians.
Regardless of your political beliefs, it sure seems reasonable that Congress should have exactly the same medical coverage that they impose on the rest of us.
Please urge as many people as you can to do the same!
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Lady
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10/9/2009 3:19:33 PM
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Which Tuesday was that?
HR 165 is The Antifreeze Bittering Act of 2009. H.R. 615 would amend the Federal Hazardous Substances Act to require engine coolant and antifreeze to contain a bittering agent so as to render it unpalatable.
This is not the proper forum for your comment (or mine). I suggest you take the political bashing to the Off-Topic Forum. You'll find lots of fans there!
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alahusker
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Antifreeze bittering?
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10/9/2009 9:26:26 PM
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Well I'm delighted that the House of Representives is spending their time passsing serious legislation.. It's critical that we make antifreeze taste bad, might confuse it with Miller Lite?? Give me a frapping break.. We pay these clowns??
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froghog
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Antifreeze bittering?
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10/9/2009 11:03:16 PM
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Not that I really care one bit for our representatives in congress. But... I agree that antifreeze needs to be bittered and it should of been done years ago. If you have ever lost a dog because it drank this $hit. Then I am sure you would feel the same... At least, I hope you would. Oh and by the way the industry didn't want to do this on their own.
Mike
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MrHodja
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Antifreeze bittering?
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10/10/2009 8:35:02 AM
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Have to agree, and it is a shame the industry wouldn't do it own their own. We had a pet cat to die from antifreeze poisoning and it was an awful way for the animal to die. We had to watch it suffer while our vet did everything he could to save it. According to our vet it only takes a teaspoonful of ethylene glycol antifreeze and the reults are in most cases irreversible. The kidneys shut down and the animal is essentially poisoned from the inside.
Husker you an I usually agree but not this time.
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GoneFishin
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Antifreeze bittering?
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10/10/2009 1:53:24 PM
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This time I fully agree with Hodja.
This same type bill died in committee in 2005. A few states passed their own laws. This is an example of why we need a government to protect us from ourselves. The companies should have done this years ago. I too had a pet die a terrible death from anti freeze when i was a kid.
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alahusker
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Antifreeze bittering?
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10/10/2009 6:44:01 PM
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Okay guys.. My daughter is a vet so I am aware of the pathology, have listened in gory detail about the horrible death progression. My point, however misguided, was that we ought not leave antifreeze, or any other toxins available for pets, kids, or natures animals to ingest.. Something about individual responsibility, not sure it's a Federal mandate..
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MrHodja
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Antifreeze bittering?
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10/10/2009 6:51:07 PM
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In my case unfortunately our cat was the first to discover a pinhole leak in a radiator hose. It wasn't until after she died and we had repeatedly told the vet it couldn't be antifreeze, that I looked carefully at all the cars and found the culprit on my F-I-L's '79 Suburban.
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alahusker
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Antifreeze bittering?
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10/10/2009 7:59:52 PM
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That's a sad deal, Pal.. like I said, familiar with the terrible suffering that these animals suffer.. I'm just not in favor of another Czar, charged with 'bittering antifreeze.'
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GoneFishin
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alahusker
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10/10/2009 8:10:36 PM
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I think everyone would agree we would prefer business to act repsonsibly with out the government passing a new law. Here is a release from 2005:
July 18, 2005 - OMAHA, Neb. --
"The nation's largest maker of antifreeze once fought efforts to add a bittering agent, but the tune has changed. A Prestone Antifreeze official told senators his company didn't want a conflicting patchwork of state laws, but will support a single federal standard.
"The people that are concerned about animals and their protection win, and we win as manufacturers because we have uniform direction on what to do," said Prestone's Jeff Bye."
It died in committee. Additiomal states have passed laws. Prestone and Peak have done nothing on their own since 2005. Now, the big question how would you solve this????????
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alahusker
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alahusker
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10/10/2009 8:50:51 PM
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Fair question and debate.. I will not buy Prestone nor Peak.. and will send them an Email why... i just think this can be fixed without the federal government.. Start a chain email .. Let them know we are concerned, as free market consumers.... might work better than hoping in Washington will fix it.. I'll support you.. I'm into this cause.. Mr Hodja, what you think??
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MrHodja
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alahusker
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10/11/2009 8:09:31 AM
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I wondered how we go onto this tangent to begin with -- and it must have been a bill numbering issue -- because the original post had nothing to do with antifreeze.
That being said, it sounds like the industry may have indeed asked for a Federal Standard for the stuff. I guess I can see that point, as it is not reasonable to expect them to market different formulas in different states, although it sounds like that is what they may have to do now.
I have no problem participating in a grass roots or netroots move to make the stuff not taste like very sweet kool-ade to the animals. However, it would also seem the industry could take the worst-case state law, make it an industry standard and formulate their produce to satisfy that standard. I, too don't see why we have to have Congress in the act, but for a diofferent reason.
Husker, look at it this way. Maybe we NEED for this Congress to spend more time on legislation like this. if they did they wouldn't have as much time to totally foxtrot up the country in the way they seem he!!-bent on doing now.
Ramblings on a Sunday morning from the Embassy Suites in Memphis...
NH
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| Name: |
MrHodja
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Antifreeze bittering?
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10/11/2009 8:13:54 AM
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Wasn't aware a czar was involved. If it is I vehemently oppose the legislation. The text above didn't seem to indicate that was the case. Maybe I should read the bill (if it is written in such a manner that I, a person with two Masters degrees, can understand it).
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