Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Make Up Your Mind
Date:	6/17/2025 4:25:25 PM

Amazing that he can review the results of his policies and adjust them using common sense.  As for me, I am not all that sympathetic toward businesses that use cheap illegal labor but I get the appeal. 

On the farming side, there is a path for seasonal labor using the H-2A program.  Not sure whether that is limited in scope but they do have to prove they can't find legal U.S. workers and pay at least minimum wage or higher which probably explains why they don't want to use that program.  They can't prove the former and don't want to pay the latter.  

On the hotel or other business side they can use the H-2B program but it comes with the same requirements, hence the desire to take advantage of illegals and not pay them a fair wage.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	PLEASE Make Up Your Mind
Date:	6/17/2025 7:59:49 PM

Trump has changed it again....Have to wonder who is in chaarge?

Trump administration reverses pause on immigration ICE raids on farms, hotels, restaurants

The Trump administration has reversed an order to pause immigration raids targeting farms, hotels, restaurants and meat-packing plants, The Washington Post reports.

The reversal came just days after officials were instructed to refrain from conducting immigration operations in these locations.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	PLEASE Make Up Your Mind
Date:	6/18/2025 8:06:22 AM

Probably read my reply to your first post and decided they could do it legally.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	PLEASE Make Up Your Mind
Date:	6/18/2025 9:50:10 AM

Also probably read that the meat packing plant they raided was filled with legal job applicants for the ones previously held by illegals.  He knows this is not about jobs Americans won't do, it's about businesses paying below market wages to illegals who have no choice but to accept them.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	PLEASE Make Up Your Mind
Date:	6/18/2025 5:39:56 PM

My favorite was the leftist that recently said we needed illegals to wipe our a$$es.  Don't know about you, but every single conservative I know understands how to take care of that on their own, though I don't doubt a good many progressives struggle with it. 

The reality is they are addicted to cheap illegal labor and don't want to pay a fair wage.  Reminds me of the time I stayed at a nice hotel in DC on the last day of some leftist group meeting.  Two maggot infested leftists in front of me literally gave the doorman change as a tip after he got them a cab and loaded their bags.  When he hailed a cab for me to go to a meeting I gave him a $20 and said that covered me and the Democrats ahead of me.  He laughed out loud and thanked me for the tip.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	PLEASE Make Up Your Mind
Date:	6/19/2025 10:15:54 AM (updated 6/19/2025 10:52:24 AM)

I took the family out for dinner last summer and the bill was $449 for 6 of us. The check came and as we were saying goodbye, I checked the total and tipped $75. Next day, I looked at the bill and realized it read $380 plus $69 gratuity for a toal of $449. So, total tip was $69 +$75=$144. I bet they fight over who serves us next time.

Under the total is a line that reads TIP__________ but does also state above included gratuity which I obviously missed.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	PLEASE Make Up Your Mind
Date:	6/20/2025 9:32:00 AM

I've started to check bills carefully for that very reason. I know most places add a tip for "large" groups, which used ot be 6 or more, but I've had several put in a tip for groups of four or even one person.  It's ridiculous.  

I think the whole tip culture has gotten out of hand.  Everybody wants to be tipped for everything.  When I order take out from my favorite BBQ place I am not leaving a tip.  I drove there to get it and all the person at the counter did was run my credit card.  

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	PLEASE Make Up Your Mind
Date:	6/20/2025 12:37:01 PM

It is only going to get worse with the passage of no tax on tips, which I am very torn about.  I support it in theory, but I think about  my friends daughter who worked at a high end resteraunt an made about 130K her last year.  Her hourly wage was maybe 30K of that so that would give 100k tax free.  To me that is totally different from Sally slinging hash at the local diner who might not make 30k total.  Do company bonuses now become "tips" so as to not pay taxes?  Lots of opportunity for fraud and abuse.  Will CEO's who might make millions in bonuses now get tips and no tax?  What is fair about that?

I see other ways to game the sytem too.  If I was in a bussiness that charges a service call why not change that to a "tip" and claim it tax free. You can argue that being forced to pay it is different, but how is that different than parties of 6 or more, as MM pointed out it used be limited too, automatically adding a tip.

Of course I know nothing of the details of the bill and issues like this may be addressed, but knowing government I doubt it.

Anybody else got thoughts?

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	PLEASE Make Up Your Mind
Date:	6/20/2025 1:09:56 PM

This is interesting....

Be aware of what aren’t considered tips — Service charges, like 18% gratuities automatically placed on large parties at restaurants, are not tips.

Also, they may limit the deductible amount to $25,000.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	PLEASE Make Up Your Mind
Date:	6/20/2025 1:33:58 PM

Limiting the deduction to $25K or another reasonable amount seems a good compromise between now and the new law.

What is your source for the statement that a gratuity based on guest count would not be deductible?  Seems the restarants would oppose it because servers might seek to avoid serving large groups because of the hit to their bottom line. 

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	PLEASE Make Up Your Mind
Date:	6/20/2025 2:02:18 PM (updated 6/20/2025 2:21:21 PM)

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/tip-income-is-taxable-and-must-be-reported

We all know final bills change. "Tips" have always been considered voluntary and the amount added for large parties is not  voluntary. The amount added for large parties is considered a service charge.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	PLEASE Make Up Your Mind
Date:	6/20/2025 3:35:14 PM (updated 6/20/2025 4:49:40 PM)

Thanks.  I guess the servers and employers will have to come to some agreement that the employer will share all or some of the "gratuity" with those servers.  I say some because it is common for servers to share a portion of their tips with bar and kitchen staff, and the employer might want to ensure that by allocating portions of the 18% (or whatever amount) themselves.  I wouldn't think the restaurant would be able to keep good staff if that staff serves five people and gets tipped maybe a hundred bucks, but if a sixth customer shows up gets nothing.