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Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Newt is toast, Romney is in the toaster
Date:	5/16/2011 10:02:34 AM

Not sure how many saw or heard about Newt's comments on Meet the dePressed on Sunday about Ryan's budget plan and more importantly the concept of an individual mandate for health care. I will say from the outset that I would never have supported Newt in the primary so you can take my take on this with a grain of salt. First of all, back in April he was praising Ryan's budget on the talk shows. Now he is terming it "right wing social engineering" and claiming he wants to have a "national conversation" about the issue of health care. Uh Newt, I know you spend most of the day reading your own fawning press releases and promoting your and Callista's latest book but we have been talking non-stop about health care and Medicare non stop since we had Obamacare rammed down our throats. Also, his comment that "we are all responsible for our health care" when asked about the individual mandate makes me shudder. It is obvious he is implying that it is not a violation of the Constitution for the federal government to force someone to buy a product. That is the position of the left and it is wrong. My take on this is he is aiming for some cynical political benefit although for the life of me I cannot figure out what it is. This will not help him get the nomination and frankly makes me wonder what his real motivation is. Secondly, Romney is in a real box and I don't know how he gets out of it. He has chosen to defend Romneycare despite it being a failure and having any number of resemblances to Obamacare. I understand his dilemma because I can just imagine the Messiah responding in a debate to Romney's criticism of Obamacare, "Well Governor Romney I am confused. You are for Romneycare but against my plan even though they are very similar. I mean, I actually took a lot of the ideas in your plan when we formed ours. I just don't get it." Frankly, either way he is screwed in this election cycle because so much of it revolves around health care and the repeal and replacement of Obamacare with common sense reforms that don't turn over such an important aspect of our lives to the government. I think in this election cycle Mr. Romney is also toast.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Newt is toast, Romney is in the toaster
Date:	5/16/2011 10:16:47 AM

I don't see either one of them being the top nominee. If either of them is the Republican candidate, the Republicans are in trouble in 2012. I'm optimistic that someone else will step up and enter the fray. However, I don't think anyone should hang their hat on the Ryan plan as "the" solution to our economic problems.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Newt is toast, Romney is in the toaster
Date:	5/16/2011 10:57:40 AM

While there may be some parts of Ryan's plan that are a bit severe, he had the courage to put a plan out there that could go a long way toward restoring fiscal sanity to Washington, unlike Obama's absolutely pitiful excuse for a plan. And Ryan stated up front that there was significant political risk in doing so...but he still had the palls to do it anyway. Political courage is something we need a lot more of in DC.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Newt is toast, Romney is in the toaster
Date:	5/16/2011 12:12:40 PM

I agree with that. At least he put forth a plan and as I had said on many occasions it is something to form the basis of a discussion. You are right that most pols these days won't take any political risk at all. Which in my mind always begs the question as to why they are really there in the first place. You know, I always feel that despite party differences, at the end of the day we are in fundamental agreement as Americans and our pols should build on those things we agree upon and take up debate on how to solve the challenges. But I fear that we have gotten to the point in this country where we are so polarized that no one will admit that they agree on anything or will be seen as willing to compromise the least little bit for fear that they won't be re-elected by their base. It's pitiful.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Newt is toast, Romney is in the toaster
Date:	5/16/2011 12:43:14 PM

Hound, don't disagree with your take that Ryan's plan is "the" plan but it is substantive and a serious proposal. But more to the topic at hand, it is not right wing social engineering and if Newt thinks the federal government dictating that a citizen has to buy a product is not a problem then he has lost his conservative mind.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	I mean Ryan's plan is "not" the plan
Date:	5/16/2011 12:44:05 PM

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Newt is toast, Romney is in the toaster
Date:	5/16/2011 2:07:39 PM

Personally, I think Newt is grasping at any straw he can obviously trying to appeal to many people as possible. Like his saying "forget my history, judge me on NOW". How ridiculous is that? BTW, I know you will be heartbroken, but Trump just announced he won't be running because he loves the private sector too much. Me thinks the only thing he loves too much is attention to himself.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Newt is toast, Romney is in the toaster
Date:	5/16/2011 2:12:22 PM

Here is the question, do we now have to refer to him as Former Presidential Candidate The Donald. Sadly, I will miss him in the fray as he was most interesting. I think he gave it up since he couldn't convince the Messiah to share his academic records with the general public. I mean, if he can't do that how can we expect him to tackle world peace? I really will miss him for the entertainment value as I have never seen his show and I will never watch it.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Newt is toast, Romney is in the toaster
Date:	5/16/2011 5:12:37 PM

I've never watched it either. I make it a point to never watch anything that has people screaming at one another, and from the commercials, I assume that is part of that show. I suspect that the two real reasons that the Donald dropped out, is that 1/he knows he can't win; and 2/ he did not wish to release his financials.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Newt is toast, Romney is in the toaster
Date:	5/16/2011 6:32:44 PM

or 3) he got maximum publicity and didn't have to give anything to speak of in return. Ultimate self promoter. That so many Republicans bought into his hype is an indicator of how desperately they want SOMEONE to come along and unseat the (fill in the blank) in Chief.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Newt is toast, Romney is in the toaster
Date:	5/16/2011 9:29:28 PM

I think Newt is like a lot of politicians that thrive on the power of political office. And I have no doubt he believes he would be the best choice for President. As I said, he is a smart man with lots of good ideas and this turn of events is hard for me to comprehend if he really wants the nomination. Apparently he is making the rounds of the talk shows as are his boosters but I think to no avail. One thing about being as plain spoken as him is that he loses the cover of ambiguity, tken out of context, etc. I know exactly what he meant and it disqualifies him in my view......although he was never my guy anyway so its easy for me to say.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Just listened to Newt on Bill Bennett show
Date:	5/17/2011 8:33:08 AM

All I can say is wow. He was all over the place and for the most part believes we all just didn't understand his point. He also wanted us to understand that he doesn't consider Paul Ryan to be a right wing social engineer but was never clear what he thought about his plan. He also never answered the question about his view of the individual mandate which makes me think he agrees with it. Advice he was given was to disavow his statement and come out for Ryan's plan. Based on his response I would doubt he will do that. He is now burned toast.......in my opinion

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Just listened to Newt on Bill Bennett show
Date:	5/17/2011 8:57:02 AM

The problem with Newt is that most of the time his mouth is not connected to his brain. He likes to cloak himself in the "intellectual" blanket, but most of the time, his mouth is not engaged with his brain. And then he just blames everyone else as being too dense to see his wisdom. I personally can't stand the man and don't look forward to hearing from him.

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