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architect
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Bob Woodward
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3/1/2013 8:32:16 AM (updated 3/1/2013 8:51:02 AM)
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Via tweet, Red State's Erick Erickson on Bob Woodward after seeing the actual emails that has the nutty right drooling..."OOPS". In his usually nutty blog he goes on to give some good advice...the right needs to stop gleefully popping off at every "Obama scandal" until and unless they have the evidence to back up their comments.
PS: You need to need to read this GF...it blows your Obama free phone claim out of the water. How could we know it was actually the sainted Ronald Reagan that did the set up for your free phone and W that made the presentation?
BTW: Isn't it a marvel that someone could be despised as part of the "liberal media" one day and a hero to the right the next ...with no questions asked?
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GoneFishin
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Martini The Actual Email
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3/1/2013 9:00:33 AM
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Martini, you need to look harder to find the truth. Your right wing source is wrong as usual. Here is the actual email from Sperling not Carter and Woodward's response.
"Disclosure of the e-mail, however, shows a mostly friendly message to Woodward from White House economic adviser Gene Sperling. He said Woodward would "regret" his comments because they were wrong, not as part of any kind of threat. Sperling sent Woodward on Feb. 22: "Bob: "I apologize for raising my voice in our conversation today. My bad. I do understand your problems with a couple of our statements in the fall -- but feel on the other hand that you focus on a few specific trees that gives a very wrong perception of the forest. But perhaps we will just not see eye to eye here. "But I do truly believe you should rethink your comment about saying saying that Potus asking for revenues is moving the goal post. I know you may not believe this, but as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim. The idea that the sequester was to force both sides to go back to try at a big or grand bargain with a mix of entitlements and revenues (even if there were serious disagreements on composition) was part of the DNA of the thing from the start. It was an accepted part of the understanding -- from the start. Really. It was assumed by the Rs on the Supercommittee that came right after: it was assumed in the November-December 2012 negotiations. There may have been big disagreements over rates and ratios -- but that it was supposed to be replaced by entitlements and revenues of some form is not controversial. (Indeed, the discretionary savings amount from the Boehner-Obama negotiations were locked in in BCA: the sequester was just designed to force all back to table on entitlements and revenues.) "I agree there are more than one side to our first disagreement, but again think this latter issue is different. Not out to argue and argue on this latter point. Just my sincere advice. Your call obviously. "My apologies again for raising my voice on the call with you. Feel bad about that and truly apologize. "Gene" Woodward responded to Sperling the next day: "Gene: You do not ever have to apologize to me. You get wound up because you are making your points and you believe them. This is all part of a serious discussion. I for one welcome a little heat; there should more given the importance. I also welcome your personal advice. I am listening. I know you lived all this. My partial advantage is that I talked extensively with all involved. I am traveling and will try to reach you after 3 pm today. Best, Bob.""
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MartiniMan
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Uh, I've read it
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3/1/2013 9:23:26 AM (updated 3/1/2013 9:34:00 AM)
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Woodward himself was on the call and got the email and he is the one saying it was a veiled threat. Others, including Lanny Davis, have said they too have been threatened. What's your point? I know, everyone that was actually involved in these threats is mistaken, and you, a guy sitting in front of his computer in Georgia in his pajamas, just know that all of them are wrong. News flash GF, this is not some right wing conspiracy...we are just reporting what the leftist journalists are saying on TV, in public for all the hear....but unlike you, we choose to believe them. RFLMAO! That's a good one GF! Man, you crack me up sometimes.......
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GoneFishin
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Uh, I've read it REALLY?????
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3/1/2013 10:35:09 AM
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After reading the email and Woodward's response, do you believe it was a threat? Forget what your right wing news is saying....what do YOU believe from the emails? I actually post naked not in my PJsssss.
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MartiniMan
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Yes really
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3/1/2013 10:59:34 AM
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And it doesn't matter what I do or don't think, I will take the word of numerous left wing journalists when they all claim the same thing, especially when it could be detrimental to their beloved messiah.
That you seem to think otherwise is very odd.........then again, liberals believe so much that just isn't true so maybe its not so odd. And who knows, maybe these liberal journalists believe something that isn't true....but then there are all these other liberals like you that don't believe what these liberal journalists believe to be true........its just all so confusing that I am going with Joachim's Razor and assume the simplest explanation is true.......the Oblamer administration is acting very Nixonian when it comes to their treatment of any govt media organization or individual that deems to publish information or present opinions at odds with their marching orders.
Of course FoxNews has known this for a long time because they don't march to that drum.
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GoneFishin
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Yes really
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3/1/2013 11:31:27 AM
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It is not what others are saying...left or right. Read the email and do you feel it was a threat???????? If you do then we disagree.
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MartiniMan
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Opinions are like a certain part of the anatomy
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3/1/2013 11:48:30 AM
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Everyone has one. But you are acting like this was an email out of the blue and are totally ignoring the call, which according to the content of the email must have been quite contentious. If I had a call where someone threatened me, veiled or otherwise, and it was followed up by the half apology with the "regret" language I would indeed consider the entire event as a threat for negative coverage. But I wasn't on the call and neither were you or any of these other so-called prognosticators, so I choose to believe Woodward. This is especially true with all the others that have come forward claiming similar threats.
Face it GF, Richard Milhouse Oblamer, like NIxon, is using his staff to threaten and intimidate the govt media......which I can't understand given they are almost a part of the administration. But then again, he frequently campaigns against his own ideas and his own administration so why should this be different?
But do you deny he has specifically attacked FoxNews? Do you deny that they refuse to call on FoxNews in briefings? Why should any other media organ that deems to say something negative about TOTUS not get the same treatment? I just don't get the denial......except......maybe......because it is the darling of the left, the guy who gave us decades of eager young journalists wanting the rid the world of those pesky and evil Republicans....just like their hero Bob Woodward!! This is the same treatment black and hispanic conservatives get from the left. Since they don't fit the mold (old white guys) they must be destroyed.
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lakngulf
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Words and Worry
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3/1/2013 11:51:41 AM
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Most often, it is the spoken word that more carries the meaning of the messenger more than the written word. I have had to send letters and emails of apology because I voiced my thoughts a little too strongly. But what I had said was what I meant, I just had to reign in the feelings a bit.
Woodward says in almost every interview that the email came after being shouted at for 30 minutes. Woodward felt like his articles, books and thoughts had gotten under the skin of the administration, primarily because Woodward was right. I go with Woodward on this, he felt a threat. Period.
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MartiniMan
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Bob Woodward quote
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3/1/2013 2:55:22 PM
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He has been flooded with emails from others in the media claiming this is how the White House works. Hmmmm.....maybe Bob is making that up as well? Very Nixonian.........
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Good grief
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3/1/2013 9:49:44 PM
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As usual all you T-Partiers throw up smoke screens. Bob Woodward was not the reason for this string. Is anybody interested in commenting on the actual reason behind my original post...what do you have to say on the admonition of one of you guy's heroes...Erick Erickson?
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GoneFishin
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Archie
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3/1/2013 10:08:15 PM
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Archie, I assumed you were posting about the email. I still don't understand what you posted. Where is the URL to read?
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MartiniMan
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Asked and answered
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3/2/2013 8:04:57 AM
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As I said above, and again I have to repeat myself, opinions are like a-holes, everyone has them. I choose to believe that Woodward took the call and email as a threat. I choose to believe Lanny Davis. I choose to believe Woodward that he got a slew of emails from other journals who claimed they too have been threatened by the White House. That you don't believe your heroes Woodward, Davis and others in the media is way more strange to me than Erick Ericsson having the same view that you do. Strange bedfellows all the way around. I guess we are all open minded except one of us believes the actual protagonist and those that have claimed similar treatment and you choose to believe others whose only knowledge is reading the email. I kind of like my position.....logical and reasonable.
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GF
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3/2/2013 9:48:53 AM (updated 3/2/2013 9:52:13 AM)
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I heard a TV discussion (probably CNN) of the Woodward / WH back and forth with the comment that, since the release of the Sperling / Woodward emails, some conservatives were backing off their sudden love for Woodward. It was mentioned that Erickson had tweeted to that effect. I went to redstate.com to see if he had similar comments online. He had posted nothing new specifically on Woodward, but had posted excellent comments about conservatives speaking before they have all the background and facts with the "free phone" scandal as an example. Read it, I think you and MM should...it will make you smile and give MM indigestion.
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