Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	The whole shutdown was over the election
Date:	11/12/2025 7:48:10 AM

Democrats asked for four concessions to reopen the govt at the beginning of the shutdown: 1) Extension of ACA subsidies; 2) Reversal of BBB Medicaid reforms (healthcare for illegals); 3) Reversal of DOGE firings; and 4) Refunding of CPB/NPR/PBS.  On October 16th Thune guaranteed a vote on ACA subsidies if they pass the clean CR and reopen the govt, no filibuster by the GOP.  Dems rejected it.

Now here we are 24 days later and Democrats have caved and ended the filibuster in the Senate.  How many of these demands did they get?  Not a one.  Let's see, what happened between October 16 and November 9 when they took the same deal?  Oh yeah, an off-year election where it was extremely helpful to have all those Federal employees sitting on their butts at home and fired up to vote.

And a slew of leftists in the media have admitted that this was the goal.  Keep the govt closed until after the election and then fold like a wet paper tower.  When they began to panic wasn't over the SNAP benefits.  Videos of morbidly obese women crying that they were going to starve on videos in their nice cars or at home with a flat screen TV in the background using their iPhone17 didn't help.  Nope, it was the airline delays from ATC personnel refusing to work if they weren't being paid.

So they were willing to cause all this pain for Fedl employees and others to win an off-year election.  And it worked.  I have often said that the most important thing for the left is acquisition of power and this is prime facie evidence I am correct.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	The whole shutdown was over the election
Date:	11/12/2025 2:30:42 PM

I am 100% against Trump or anyone nuking the filibuster - BUT I do have to agree with the reports that once demonrats ever get back into power they will drop it, add states, pack the court etc.

The nutter they are, I am starting to lean more towards -  Nuke it and try to lock elections and the government down from these deranged power hungry monsters.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	The whole shutdown was over the election
Date:	11/12/2025 2:38:00 PM

Here's the problem with that.  If they do that when they are in control then the GOP will just undo it when they are in control.  Laws become no more reliable than EO's which all get reversed eventually.  It's better for the country to have some level of certainty versus chaos.  I think the Dems know if they do things like that they will get wiped out in the next elections.  

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	The whole shutdown was over the election
Date:	11/12/2025 3:08:23 PM (updated 11/12/2025 3:08:55 PM)

I think they are hoping that the next election they have already packed the supreme court, DC statehood and Puerto Rico which moves the Senate further left.  

Keep in mind - they do not care, its all about taking over - if they were reasonable the shutdown from hell would never have happened.