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Name:   copperline The author of this post is registered as a member - Email Member
Subject:   Will we really face up to cutting entitlements?
Date:   1/7/2013 7:01:40 PM

its time to start talking about where we will be cutting entitlement programs in order to complete the work that needs to be done.  The tax program is mostly in place, although the tax code could still use a major overall to simplify and close unintended loopholes.  i’m all for that.

But the big fish remains in the arena of cuts to govt expenditures in order to balance the Federal Budget, and address the deficit we have gotten ourselves into.

But where should we cut?  Make a list of the entitlement programs, of all kinds, and look closely at what cutting them means.     First of all, “entitlement spending programs” doesn’t just mean food stamps, Medicaid and aid to dependent children.   it also includes Social Security, pensions for federal workers, disabled vets & retired military.   it includes money for education from preschool to college & technical training.   These aren’t just anti-poverty programs, it means looking at the flow of money to Baby Boomers who have retired or will retire with programs they thought were secure & above reproach.   But if we believe the federal govt has generally overcommitted to expenses and has too little revenue to cover its obligations, then all these have to be included as part of the problem.

These will be painful choices, because the discomfort of making them is going to have to be spread far & wide.  it will not be enough to divert attention to one area of a program’s waste or complaining that a single group of people (immigrants, for instance) are causing the problem.   At best these views will only offer up puny financial savings.  At worst, they deal brutally with vulnerable groups of people.

   My thinking is that the cuts will have to affect everyone, but we should try to protect truly vulnerable people & critical areas as much as possible.     Cutting back on Medicaid expenses needs to be done carefully with regard to protecting the health of many poor people, cutting education money needs to be evaluated in light of the country’s need to produce knowledgeable workers and  the free public education  necessary for the county’s  future workers.   Merely talking about reducing retirement benefits for ex-military will certainly cause a furor because it seems like a betrayal of patriotic values.

Large scale-backs in Federal dollars are going to have to be tolerated by the Middle Class. 

 When you look at the full scope of federal spending on entitlement programs, you notice that the poor are not the main recipient of tax dollars.   The middle class and upper class are big beneficiaries of govt spending as well.  96% of Americans benefit from some sort of government social program or another.    According to the Center for Budget & Policy Priorities, in 2010  20% of entitlement spending went to the top 10% of households, 58% went to middle income households, and 32%  went to the bottom 20%.

“if you want the government to give you something, vote for a Democrat.   if you don’t want to pay for it, vote Republican”.   This may explain how we got ourselves into a pattern of deficit spending, but not how we will get ourselves to the other side of this crisis.    i think we should be ready to make cuts in entitlement spending, but remain a bit pessimistic that the US public is really willing to accept what this will mean.    i think we will find it surprising, and then resist any changes that have a direct and personal impact on us as individuals.    When real cuts are made, they will have impact beyond what’s expected because the effects of government spending are so integrated into the fabric of daily life.  They have been contributing to what we all considered to be normal.   The price of milk is a good example.  Without the recent federal farm bill that provided price supports, the cost of milk would have doubled overnight.   Not too many of us know that or appreciate the positive role that tax dollars were playing in our monthly grocery budget.

Whether conservative or liberal, it remains to be seen if we have the stomach to make the real cuts necessary to reign in the deficit.   We all talk about our willingness to accept changes in our life style until the conversation crosses the line from theoretical to concrete.   My opinion is that the American public isn’t aware of the intricacies of our national social policies and will be unhappily surprised by what is revealed when they are cut.   Our usual position is that spending reductions need to be made in areas that will not affect us personally, and we are best at focusing blame for our financial mismanagement elsewhere. 

Other messages in this thread:View Entire Thread
Will we really face up to cutting entitlements? - copperline - 1/7/2013 7:01:40 PM
     Will we really face up to cutting entitlements? - alahusker - 1/7/2013 7:18:53 PM
          Will we really face up to cutting entitlements? - comrade - 1/7/2013 8:13:46 PM
          Will we really face up to cutting entitlements? - copperline - 1/7/2013 8:13:47 PM
     Will we really face up to cutting entitlements? - wix - 1/7/2013 10:51:17 PM
          Will we really face up to cutting entitlements? - copperline - 1/8/2013 12:17:00 AM
     Will we really face up to cutting entitlements? - Jim Dandy - 1/8/2013 10:48:09 AM
          Will we really face up to cutting entitlements? - copperline - 1/8/2013 3:04:48 PM
               Will we really face up to cutting entitlements? - Jim Dandy - 1/8/2013 4:12:51 PM
     Here's what the polls seem to suggest - MartiniMan - 1/8/2013 4:02:35 PM
          Here's what the polls seem to suggest - au67 - 1/8/2013 5:02:02 PM
               Here's what the polls seem to suggest - MartiniMan - 1/8/2013 5:20:23 PM
                    Glad I was sitting down.... - copperline - 1/8/2013 7:08:04 PM
                         Glad I was sitting down.... - au67 - 1/8/2013 7:42:39 PM
                              Glad I was sitting down.... - au67 - 1/8/2013 7:47:27 PM
                         Glad I was sitting down.... - MartiniMan - 1/8/2013 7:59:36 PM
                         Mr. Socialist, copperline. - wix - 1/8/2013 10:48:05 PM
                              Hey Wix - GoneFishin - 1/9/2013 1:07:56 AM
                                   Goof-ball - wix - 1/9/2013 1:33:50 PM
                              Mr. Socialist, copperline. - copperline - 1/9/2013 10:25:42 AM
                                   Mr. Socialist, copperline. - wix - 1/9/2013 1:41:27 PM
                                        Mr. Socialist, copperline. - wix - 1/9/2013 8:09:36 PM



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