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Name:   phil The author of this post is registered as a member - Email Member
Subject:   1.35 nanoseconds
Date:   2/1/2021 8:26:12 AM (updated 2/1/2021 8:28:24 AM)

https://civil-liberties.yoexpert.com/civil-liberties-general/is-it-legal-to-shout-%22fire%22-in-a-crowded-theater-19421.html

 

Anyone want to tell him that it is legal to shout fire in a crowded theater?  It was from illegal from 1919 to 1969 - but it got overturned as 1st amendment protected speach. 

 

Yet Brandenburg claimed the First Amendment protected his speech. His appeal reached the Supreme Court, and the Court agreed with him, in contrast with the earlier Schenck decision. Advocacy, even when it encourages law-breaking, helps the marketplace of ideas, ruled the Court. Had Brandenburg instructed followers to commit a specific crime, he’d have committed a number of offenses himself. But the First Amendment protects speech that merely advocates general, indefinite illegal action.


With that ruling, the Court overturned the Schenck decision that had introduced "shouting fire in a crowded theater." No longer was "clear and present danger" a sufficient standard for criminalizing speech. To break the law, speech now had to incite "imminent lawless action."

So if a court can prove that you incite imminent lawlessness by falsely shouting "fire" in a crowded theater, it can convict you. If you incite an unlawful riot, your speech is "brigaded" with illegal action, and you will have broken the law. But merely falsely shouting "fire" does not break the law, even if it risks others’ safety.

And, of course, no court will fault you for warning of a fire that actually exists.

 

 

 

 

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We are all about to become enemies of the state - Shortbus - 1/28/2021 1:57:56 AM
     Humm - architect - 1/28/2021 8:15:37 AM
          Humm - MrHodja - 1/28/2021 9:11:03 AM
               sure Mr H assuming you are addressing me - architect - 1/28/2021 12:41:08 PM
                    sure Mr H assuming you are addressing me - MrHodja - 1/28/2021 12:55:06 PM
                         Surely you jest - Lifer - 1/28/2021 2:40:43 PM
                              Surely you jest - MrHodja - 1/28/2021 3:50:22 PM
                         I don't have the time nor inclination - architect - 1/29/2021 8:38:01 AM
                              In Other Words You Can't - MrHodja - 1/29/2021 9:13:02 AM
                                   If you didn’t “hear” it there are 3 possibilities - architect - 1/29/2021 3:08:03 PM
                                        If you didn’t “hear” it there are 3 possibilities - MrHodja - 1/30/2021 12:45:48 AM
                                             OK Mr H...you aren't crazy about DJT's character - architect - 1/31/2021 2:35:09 PM
                                                  OK Mr H...you aren't crazy about DJT's character - MrHodja - 1/31/2021 11:21:20 PM
          Humm - CRD - 1/28/2021 10:46:18 PM
               I voted for the opposite CRD - architect - 1/29/2021 8:56:29 AM
                    I voted for the opposite CRD - phil - 1/29/2021 9:20:53 AM
                    I voted for the opposite CRD - CRD - 1/29/2021 9:34:30 AM
                         I voted for the opposite CRD - Lifer - 1/29/2021 9:53:59 AM
                         1.35 nanoseconds - architect - 1/29/2021 3:13:47 PM
                              1.35 nanoseconds - phil - 1/29/2021 4:45:11 PM
                              1.35 nanoseconds - CRD - 1/30/2021 8:51:51 AM
                                   1.35 nanoseconds - architect - 1/30/2021 9:13:47 PM
                                        1.35 nanoseconds - CRD - 1/30/2021 10:33:46 PM
                                             ''Quite frankly I like her spunk'' says it all - architect - 1/31/2021 2:01:43 PM
                                                  ''Quite frankly I like her spunk'' says it all - CRD - 1/31/2021 9:20:54 PM
                                                       The Democrats don't have anybody like MTG, - architect - 1/31/2021 10:34:10 PM
                                                            She is the People's Representative - Lifer - 2/1/2021 6:09:16 AM
                                                            The Democrats don't have anybody like MTG, HAHAHAH - CRD - 2/1/2021 1:11:58 PM
                                                                 The Democrats don't have anybody like MTG, HAHAHAH - phil - 2/1/2021 2:20:36 PM
                                                                 Sick and I would recommend all be censured, - architect - 2/2/2021 10:12:36 PM
                                                                      Sick and I would recommend all be censured, - MrHodja - 2/2/2021 10:34:38 PM
                                                                           Sick and I would recommend all be censured, - phil - 2/3/2021 8:22:02 AM
                                                                                Sick and I would recommend all be censured, - Lifer - 2/3/2021 9:19:35 AM
                                        1.35 nanoseconds - phil - 2/1/2021 8:26:12 AM
                                             1.35 nanoseconds - CRD - 2/1/2021 1:16:50 PM
                    I voted for the opposite CRD - MrHodja - 1/29/2021 9:53:30 AM
     We are all about to become enemies of the state - lucky67 - 1/28/2021 9:07:14 AM



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