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Name:   MartiniMan The author of this post is registered as a member - Email Member
Subject:   End of Global Warming?
Date:   12/29/2008 9:17:35 AM

Just curious what others think. For years I have been saying that man-made global warming will one day be looked upon as one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated on man and Al Gore will be looked upon with derision as a failed politician and charlatan. I am wondering whether the following evidence has any effect on the true believers out there?

First of all, most of the hysteria about man's influence on global climates has been based on models that predict the temperature changes vis-a-vis overall carbon emissions. Many scientists have had serious quesrtions about the validity of the models, the source and accuracy of input parameters and the inability to calibrate the models to real data. They have also questioned why the numerous models that did not predict warming or contradicted the theory that there was a relationship between carbon emissions and global climates were ignored by proponents of the theory. The cooling over the last decade was wholly unpredicted by any of these supposedly acceptable models. This cooling period proves what many of us suspected, the models were either invalid or were manipulated to get the desired output. In addition, the models predicted things like polar ice cap melting (mass is being added, not lost) and we heard hysterical predictions of the end of skiing in Europe (they just had their best snowfalls in a generation) and the end of the polar bear (despite population studies showing an overall increase in population).

Second, we have been told incessently that the debate is over and the consensus of the scientific community is that man is causing global climates to warm as a result of carbon emissions. I have long argued that there is no such thing as a consensus in science. There is scientific theory and proven fact. Consensus is a political term that has no place in science. Having said that though, there is a growing movement of actual, qualified scientists that are beginning to speak out against the orthodoxy of the day, risking grant moneys, tenure, decertification and all the other methods of intimidation. This was cumlminated in March of this year when the Manhatten Declaration was published declaring that man-made global warming is a fraud. This declaration was signed by hundreds of emminently qualified scientists in the areas of climatology, meterology, geophysics, etc., including some of the world's most renowned and respected climatologists. When you look at similar declarations from the global warming crowd they are signed by politicians, activitists, scientists with a vested research interest in perpetrating the fraud and business people promoting alternative sources of energy that will only be economically viable if government artificially increases the prices of current sources of energy or provide huge government subsidies. As for me, I will go with actual qualfied scientists and please don't bother with the canard that all these hundreds of scientists are in the pocket of big oil. Go look at the list and do some independent research and you will see there are multitudes of highly qualified scientists that are not in any way supported by oil companies.

Finally, given the state of the world's economy many of these very same politicians that embraced all sorts of wildly expensive and standard of living lowering schemes are having second thoughts. When they think the world can afford to spend trillions of dollars to fix a problem that doesn't exist or we can't influence even if it did they are all on board the train. But suddenly when the economic conditions in the world weaken right along with their political futures, these non-scientific global warming acolytes are more than willing to eject their prior alleged belief in globaloney (as I like to call it). So much for true belief. Perhaps we have another case of political expediency whereby they blindly follow the trend of the day that they believe will lead to electoral success regardless of the long-term consequences? I know its a cynical view but there is plenty pf precedent.

So, back to my original statement, man-made global warming is a fraud. By the way, for those who want to question my background, I have a B.S. in Geology and a Masters in Geophysics.
Other messages in this thread:View Entire Thread
End of Global Warming? - MartiniMan - 12/29/2008 9:17:35 AM
     End of Global Warming? - Swimmer27 - 12/29/2008 10:54:45 AM
          End of Global Warming? - MartiniMan - 12/29/2008 11:39:39 AM
               End of Global Warming? - Swimmer27 - 12/29/2008 1:11:55 PM
     End of Global Warming? - water_watcher - 12/29/2008 11:29:40 AM
          End of Global Warming? - Talullahhound - 12/29/2008 3:11:38 PM
               Cute ... - water_watcher - 12/29/2008 3:33:10 PM
               Explanation of "Consensus" - MartiniMan - 12/29/2008 10:16:32 PM
                    Explanation of "Consensus" - Talullahhound - 12/29/2008 11:32:39 PM
                         Explanation of "Consensus" - MartiniMan - 12/30/2008 6:39:49 PM
                    Explanation of "Consensus" - au67 - 12/30/2008 6:57:31 PM
     End of Global Warming? - AUCATZ - 12/29/2008 3:31:30 PM
     Question - MrHodja - 12/29/2008 7:59:26 PM
          Question - MartiniMan - 12/29/2008 10:35:52 PM
          Question - Swimmer27 - 12/30/2008 11:13:58 AM
     End of Global Warming? - NautiMinded - 12/29/2008 9:49:37 PM
          We will know - DirtDiva - 12/30/2008 12:23:08 PM
               We will know - MartiniMan - 12/30/2008 6:35:56 PM
                    We will know - Swimmer27 - 12/31/2008 10:03:41 AM
          We will know - DirtDiva - 12/30/2008 12:23:09 PM
               Nauti - - DirtDiva - 12/30/2008 12:24:26 PM
               We will know - water_watcher - 12/31/2008 12:21:39 PM
     End of Global Warming? - MartiniMan - 12/31/2008 4:20:44 PM
          End of Global Warming? - Old Diver - 1/5/2009 2:28:06 AM



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