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	Name:	MartiniMan -
	Subject:	Time For The Truth
	Date:	8/17/2009 12:34:37 PM

Yankee: Help me out here. When I read the pertinent sections it seems mandatory to me for this discussion to occur if it has been 5 years since the last consultation. I negotiate a lot of contracts and the word "shall" means you have to do it and I understand from your post that this is your interpretation as well. Further, the content of the conversation that is required seems to go way beyond a practitioner asking a patient if they want to discuss end of life options, which is common prior to surgery.

Secondly, people need to understand what actually happens with federal laws. What will happen is the appropriate agency created by the act will promulgate regulations that dictate exactly how the law will be implemented. This is where the rubber meets the road. We see this all the time in the environmental business. Congress passes a law and USEPA creates regulations from the law. These regulations are enforceable with criminal and civil penalties.

So is it hard to imagine this scenario? The Comparative Effectiveness Panel determines you don't fit into the right category for a procedure or treatment, the agency created by the law denies the claim for the procedure/treatment and the doctor is required by the law and subsequent regulations (which we have not seen as yet) to tell you about all your end of life options. Is this a "Death Panel"? Maybe the term is over the top but the result is the same. So I think GF's claim that the right is "lying" is probably overstated but we are caught up in debating terminology when the substance of the concern and criticism is in my view right on track.

I know the intent of the left is try to characterize those opposed to Obamacare as right-wing nuts, insurance company sycophants, etc. But the fact is this forum demonstrates that this is completely wrong. My sense is that Architect, Hound and others on the forum that voted for Obama have very real concerns about government control of health care. We all know our system needs some repair but government control is not the answer because it hasn't worked anywhere else.

BTW, interesting article in the Canadian Press today about the incoming head of the Canadian Medical Association saying their system is on the verge of collapse and she has called for a role of private entities in fixing the system.

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Time For The Truth - GoneFishin - 8/16/2009 9:32:01 PM

No Death Panels - JustAGuy - 8/16/2009 10:31:29 PM

No Death Panels - Yankee06 - 8/17/2009 1:04:17 AM

No Death Panels - JustAGuy - 8/17/2009 1:24:10 AM

No Death Panels - Yankee06 - 8/17/2009 2:51:49 AM

Time For The Truth - MartiniMan - 8/17/2009 12:34:37 PM

Time For The Truth - Yankee06 - 8/17/2009 2:42:32 PM

Time For The Truth - GoneFishin - 8/17/2009 3:48:38 PM

Time For The Truth - MartiniMan - 8/17/2009 4:27:37 PM

Time For The Truth - architect - 8/17/2009 6:06:43 PM

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