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	Name:	MartiniMan -
	Subject:	Time For The Truth
	Date:	8/17/2009 4:27:37 PM

GF, you seem so fixated on HMO's denying care as if that makes it all right for the government to do the same thing. At least there are a lot of options for people in HMO's to go elsewhere for insurance (recognizing that me be difficult with pre-existing conditions, which is an area that has to be fixed). While some employers may only offer an HMO option you could try to go to work elsewhere and if they keep losing good employees because of the coverage they will make a change or go out of business. Simply put, if HMO's were such death machines the market will figure that out and go elsewhere for insurance. In fact, they are so unpopular that I haven't been offered an HMO as an alternative at my last three employers. Fortunately we have other options.

I know you need to see the word mandatory in the law but you totally ignored my point about how regulations can accomplish based on ambiguous laws what would never be palatable in the actual legislation. Rationing health care is the only way the government can save money and that is what the panels are for. Anyone can see it.

If Obama gets his way there will only be one option. Fortunately it appears that they may wave the white flag on the idea of the government plan but don't think for a minute he has given up on the concept. He will look for another way to get this done and he frankly underestimated the aversion the American people have toward government control of anything. I can't believe he is still out there making the UPS/FedEx argument. Not only is it a wildly flawed argument vis-a-vis the current legislation, every time he uses it people think of the long lines at the Post Office and want to run away even faster from Obamacare. The guy is really tone deaf on this issue for some reason.

GF, I think you are beginning to see that America is still a center-right country and the polls are showing that those in the middle are waking up to who Obama really is. I never believed his election was the watershed event that the majority of Americans are suddenly socially and fiscally liberal. If you go back and examine his campaign you will see a lot of center/center-right positions that he never intended to follow and the middle that elected him are beginning to understand it all too clearly. And while I think Obama can be called a socialist it is probably more accurate to call him a statist. This is really the term that best fits his philosophy. The left is getting very angry again because they realize they are still only 20% to 30% of the country.

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Time For The Truth - Yankee06 - 8/17/2009 2:42:32 PM

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