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	Name:	water_watcher -
	Subject:	Hound, help me out !
	Date:	3/4/2011 6:36:31 PM

I respect your point of view ... but the only point I continue to try and make is all the things you listed, are no different than the private sector. There are laws that protect employees in many of those cases. Employees do not need unions to protect them under the law.

I am not over simplifying it. Yes there are unions in the private sector, but mostly are in manufacturing, not for salaried professional employees. So why are they necessary to protect a "government" worker. Of all places, they will be protected more.

Bottom line, if the state does not make benefits competitive, then they will not retain workers or attract individuals to work for them.

I do not see how the union adds value. And I am not being critical, but you can not come up with one valid reason why they are necessary. I give you credit that you said they are not needed for federal workers ... I struggle why you would think there would still be a need at the state level.

My brother works for the state of NY ... he hates the union, but has no choice but to be a part of it.

He feels it drive under performance since there is no incentive to work harder than someone else, and there is no penalty for doing the bare minimum to get by, since everyone is treated the same and the union protects the employee from termination. It is very hard to fire someone even though it is a right to work state.

Good employees do not want or need a union, they want to be recognized and rewarded for their ability and performance. A players want to work with A players ... A's leave when there are only B's and C's ... and the union protects the B's and C's and why "most" government agencies get the bad wraps for inefficiency and lazy. I deal with it every day ... and yes I am sweet and nice .. :)