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Yankee06
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If you support the healthcare
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8/16/2009 1:15:35 AM
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-Lots of interesting health care stuff in above posts. Really hard to keep track of so many positions on so many different elements of the proposed bill.
-Up front let me say I support heath care reform; I believe all Americans (not to include illegals) should have health insurance; I believe HR3200 sucks; I believe the emphasis should be on 1) better regulating the health insurance business, 2) cutting waste especially in medicare and medicaid; and 3)if necessary, raising taxes.
-I don't agree with posts that say we should cool it because we don't have a bill and that there are still lots of amendments. As far as I can tell, the house leaders tried their damndest to have HR3200 be "THE" bill before the August recess. The reason it isn't is because of "right wing / conservative" pressure, blue dog response to that pressure; the senate unwilling to even show its companion draft because of the ruckus, and really concerned citizens voicing their concerns.
-So remember, we would already have HR3200, melded with its senate companion, as a proposed bill on the way to the white house desk if the congressional leadership had had their way. So the fact that we still have time to change the screwball parts of this bill is no thanks to the congrressional leadership.
-AS bad as what's "stated" in the proposed bill is what is "implied" in the bill. Rationing is never mentioned but is certainly implied. Here's the trail:
--- 1) Sen Daschle (Sp?) wanted to be the head health guy in the new administratiion, so he wrote a book about a new healthcare system for the US. Writing a book gives you instant credibility in DC. 9 However, Not paying your taxes, or getting caught not paying your taxes, tends to ruin your creds.) The system in his book is heavily copied from the British system to include government panels, commissions, cost controls, etc. Two of the chief words to describe the British system are "government-run" and "rationing."
---2) Daschle's book is the chief source for HR3200, --plus add on a lot of old liberal dreams and payoffs.
---3) The fear of rationing, and especially rationing of senior care, comes from three distinct areas: 1) the administration's claim to cut $500 million dollars from present costs while adding 46 million more people can only come primarily from one area: medicare. Why is that? --because everybody over 65 is already on medicare, so the 46 million new recipients must be under 65 and thus will be spread throughout the rest of the system; 2) the British system, which was the source of ideas for the administratio's proposed system, heavily rations care to the elederly; and 3) Obama himself stated that perhaps the elderly would be better off taking a pill than surgery in some cases. Now this could have been a slip that didn't really reflect his beliefs. However, one of his chief white house advises on health is Dr. Ezeikiel Emanuel whose writings have consistently supported decreasing portions of health care dollars going to people of increasing age. Does the president have these people as advisors because he doesn't want to listen to them?
-I'm against this bill for a number of reasons, but primarily because of the rationing that will surely come out of it, and especially rationing of care to seniors because ...well, ...because I is one!
-Socialists would call me selfish to put myself before the state, -to put my welfare before the welfare of a 30 year old father of a family.
-But that is a false choice. The socialist perspective is always of a pie with only so many slices to go around, -so rationing always results. The capitalist perspective is you can always bake a bigger pie so there is enough for everyone, ...or, even better yet, you can have lots of pies so that everyone can have the type he or she likes.
-The socialist/communist view which we are seeing more and more of is "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." And there is some truth to that axiom in most moral frameworks. However, it gets distorted in a political framework because some group, usually the government, decides who has needs and how much they will get to satisfy those needs. Thus the needy become supplicants to the government and do not do anything to piss that government off or their needs will not be met. Additionally the government decides who has the abilities and how much of the fruit of those abilities will be directd to the needy. The able then become slaves to the government and the needy. The government then becomes the focal point of commerce, morals, culture, etc. Now let's look to D.C. and see the kind of people who will be making those decisions. IS that what we want? And that's now. The real flaws in socialism are long term and show up after two generation, about 40 years, when the impetus of the pre-socialist stae has been spent,and socialism's lack of ingenuity, innovation, etc become known. Then it's too late.
-Me? I'm not a Republican, --but I'm glad the right-wing nuts, conservatives, and concerned citizens all got together to kill this bill. I hope they succedd. I believe a better bill will rise from the ashes.
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